Ack! Tarski Banned At MAD!

[_Alter Idem]

Tarski has been at MAD for a few years and is probably one of the most important critics on that site. He's not just some EV that comes in spouting scripture. He's intelligent, well versed in LDS theology, matters of scientific discovery, and is actually fairly well liked there by TBMs.

You just lost whatever credibility you had here Moniker, and to every recover it again you're going to have to do far, far better than defending a naked ideologue and intellectual poseur such as Tarski.

Tarski's knowledge of LDS doctrine, from a history of debating him on several subjects and following his posts on many more, is, at very best, marginal (better than Harmony's, and perhaps on a par with Scratch's).

His views of AGW are at the very histrionic fringe of serious debate on the subject and demonstrates virtually zero knowledge of the subject, despite his scientific degrees in physics and mathematics. In all my debates with him on this subject, he never moved once beyond the standard tactic of those within the cult of global warming: the ad hominem circumstantial, aimed at thousands of competent and many distinguished earth scientists skeptical of the idea.

His political beliefs are a congealed mass of MoveOn.org bumper sticker slogans and potboiler CNN factoid intellectualism.



This was not even a nice try Moniker, but....well, thanks for trying.

I don't really know Tarski's credentials--or care; that's not what upsets me about his banning. It is the fact that he's been a regular contributor and I hate to see them banish him from the board with such finality for what seemed trivial. He posted in the thread when he hadn't seen the warning.

Red Sox, I understood--he would not stop badgering Dr. P and it was as if he'd determined to force them to ban him. It was like watching a train wreck coming, but with Tarski, I'm shocked. I haven't done more than skim the thread yet, but it really seems like one of the mods reacted without considering he may not have seen the note. I often do not go up and look at my old posts--especially if I've already read a response or two after it. It's very likely that we could miss a mod warning if it's in an earlier post. I wish they would send a PM in addition to the mod. note so there is less chance for a poster to miss those serious warnings.

[_Jason Bourne]

Tarski is a provocateur and pot stirrer, and nothing more. That is the only reason he has ever posted in forums such as this. They are aware of that there as all TBMs are here.

Mormondiscussions.com is the dumping ground for critics of the Church who will not endure civil, relevant, respectful debate or stay on topic once debate has began. Everyone knows the moderation policies at MAD, and they're really not that hard to follow.

What MAD does not want to become, is another Mormondiscussions.com, which, if people like Tarski, and Scratch, and Harmony, and many others who make there home here because they will not abide the simple rules there, is precisely what it would become.

Look in the mirror dude. You post like this at MAD like you do hear you would not last long, even though they seem to let believers get away with a lot more garbage. How Hammer and Selek have survived there I do not know. But what do they want? A Mormon board or an apologetic debate board. Sure some moderation there is necessary but they are over the top.

[_Alter Idem]

I sent Orpheus the following PM:

Your first post said I wish we could have statitiscs on what matters. Who do you think you are kidding? We've had it with this sly junk on our Mormon board for Mormons. We have more posters than we know what to do with so you won't be missed if you don't want to do what it takes to stay here. If you take up space with another post in this thread I'll ban you. ~ Mod

It's not at all clear that Tarski had time to read this warning before his 11:07 post and subsequent banning. It's also not at all clear why you're reacting the way you are to fairly inoffensive posts in this thread. I think you're merely proving how truly capricious is the moderating on this board.

Webguy from UTML has been resurrected as a Mormon!!

Thanks to the mod for unbanning him. I'm glad they were willing to reverse a decision.

[_Moniker]

Coggins, I wasn't defending Tarski. I was stating my observations. Go fiddle with your thesaurus and think of some new insults, the old intellectual poseur line is old.

[_Coggins7]

In fact, you have never really debated me in any serious way about doctrine. False memory syndrome?

Yes, I have as I recall, long ago on the long thread regarding Dawkin's book, which was just out at the time.

I've also seen many of your posts regarding your general views of Chruch doctrine, practice, and social teaching, and your knowledge of LDS doctrine, based upon what I've seen thus far, is, indeed, marginal.

As for your wild claim that I am on the fringe, may I just point out that I only side with the majority of climate scientists on climate issues, so I can't be on the fringe (by definition)
Now, I won't waste my time with you anymore. It's too repetitious. I smash your pseudo-arguments and then you smugly declare victory.

1. That majority holds a variety of opinions regarding the actual extent of AGW and its possible consequences, a majority of which are not near the hysterical apocalyptic scenarios held by you and Greenpeace and which have long been discredited.

2. This majority is rapidly shrinking and the minority is now a rapidly increasing large minority, involving tens of thousands of competent and distinguished earth scientists world wide.

3. AGW has effectively been falsified by Singer et al in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society [DOI: 10.1002/joc.1651]. The GCMs have been thoroughly discredited as reliable predictors of future climate change, Mann's attempt at a poor man's Lysenkoism, the now infamous "hockey stick", was debunked years ago, and the trivial warming of the last century ceased in 1998 (after, let it be remembered, the planet underwent a general cooling trend ever since 1940, as the CO2 input into the atmosphere rose dramatically, only rising marginally again from the early eighties until 1998).

Socialism is over Tarski. Grow up and get over it.

[_Moniker]

Hey Coggins, until you figure out that evolution is non-random and what abiogenesis is I wouldn't spout off anything to anyone.

If you want to debate Tarski start a new thread, please?

[_Coggins7]

Coggins, I wasn't defending Tarski. I was stating my observations. Go fiddle with your thesaurus and think of some new insults, the old intellectual poseur line is old.

Yes, it is old. its also very descriptive of much of what passes around here for serious, educated thought.

[_Moniker]

...who will not endure civil, relevant, respectful debate or stay on topic once debate has began. Everyone knows the moderation policies at MAD, and they're really not that hard to follow.

Can you stay on-topic? Can you be respectful? Can you be civil? I suppose since you're a theist you're used to needing some rules passed down from some higher source to keep you in line 'cause you evidently can't do it here with minimal moderation.

[_Tarski]

In fact, you have never really debated me in any serious way about doctrine. False memory syndrome?

Yes, I have as I recall, long ago on the long thread regarding Dawkin's book, which was just out at the time.

I've also seen many of your posts regarding your general views of Chruch doctrine, practice, and social teaching, and your knowledge of LDS doctrine, based upon what I've seen thus far, is, indeed, marginal.

As for your wild claim that I am on the fringe, may I just point out that I only side with the majority of climate scientists on climate issues, so I can't be on the fringe (by definition)
Now, I won't waste my time with you anymore. It's too repetitious. I smash your pseudo-arguments and then you smugly declare victory.

1. That majority holds a variety of opinions regarding the actual extent of AGW and its possible consequences, a majority of which are not near the hysterical apocalyptic scenarios held by you and Greenpeace and which have long been discredited.

2. This majority is rapidly shrinking and the minority is now a rapidly increasing large minority, involving tens of thousands of competent and distinguished earth scientists world wide.

3. AGW has effectively been falsified by Singer et al in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society [DOI: 10.1002/joc.1651]. The GCMs have been thoroughly discredited as reliable predictors of future climate change, Mann's attempt at a poor man's Lysenkoism, the now infamous "hockey stick", was debunked years ago, and the trivial warming of the last century ceased in 1998 (after, let it be remembered, the planet underwent a general cooling trend ever since 1940, as the CO2 input into the atmosphere rose dramatically, only rising marginally again from the early eighties until 1998).

Socialism is over Tarski. Grow up and get over it.

LOL, but I'm not a socialist. Are you just hallucinating? maybe to you requiring that people don't dump poison in the drinking water is socialism. I don't know. 99% of what you say is just flowery insults so its hard to tell.
And I only go with the majority of top scientists in whatever the field is unless I am an expert with massive counterevidence.
I am not on the fringe, I am not a socialist, and you may continue to wish that your minority becomes a majority. If it does, then that's where I will be---(with the evidence as always).

[_moksha]

Tarski is a provocateur and pot stirrer, and nothing more. That is the only reason he has ever posted in forums such as this. They are aware of that there as all TBMs are here.

Mormondiscussions.com is the dumping ground for critics of the Church who will not endure civil, relevant, respectful debate or stay on topic once debate has began. Everyone knows the moderation policies at MAD, and they're really not that hard to follow.

What MAD does not want to become, is another Mormondiscussions.com, which, if people like Tarski, and Scratch, and Harmony, and many others who make there home here because they will not abide the simple rules there, is precisely what it would become.

Tarski is still listed as a member at MAD, so he must not be as bad as Scratch, Harmony and Moksha.

Yeah, we do have trouble following ill defined rules that seem not only to change but are applied in an uneven manner as well. However, consider the case where horrendous rudeness may stay but polite humor is asked to leave. You would almost think that would be the opposite, except in a Universe where the laws of behavior are somewhat skewed.