beastie wrote: Joseph Smith was shown a translation and then had to "dress" the language into his own words? What the heck???? And he later translated directly without even looking at the text, or knowing the native language??? Again, I say, what the heck?????
Just as a mental exercise, what do you think the written translation from telepathic images would look like?
wenglund wrote:I didn't ask for a more detailed rephrasing of your accusations. I asked for specific examples to back up your charges. Reading comprehension, people. Reading comprehension. ;-)
If you can't get that out of my story of how he went to a book signing to publicly humiliate the author, then I don't know how I can help your reading comprehension skills.
wenglund wrote:I'm not looking to "divine your standards". I am merely looking to get a sense of the proportionality of your preceptions in this particular case. Reading comprehension, people. Reading comprehension.
Once again, if you can't handle the concept of rephrasing, I am not sure I will be able to help you with your reading comprehension skills. Keep working at it, though! I like to think there are no truly hopeless cases. ;-)
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Gazelam wrote:The church has always stated that the Book of Mormon was translated using the Urim and Thummim. It never stated how they were used. I find it facinating that we are starting to look more into the details nowadays.
I was always under the impression that the Urim and Thummiim was quite different from a peep stone or in a hat. Course gettign right down to it, two clear stonce in some sort g glasses attached to a breastplate is a pretty strange device as well.
Joseph Smith was shown a translation and then had to "dress" the language into his own words? What the heck????
And he later translated directly without even looking at the text, or knowing the native language???
Again, I say, what the heck?????
Would you say its one thing to read and understand greek, and another thing entirely to express the same thing in the english language? That he ws allowed through the stone to understand what he was reading, doesent mean he understood exactly how to express it. Although he obviously did a good job as you can tell the different writing styles of the authors.
I don't know about the need to lok directly at the book. Perhaps at times he did, although the witnesses say he did not. But we do have the testimonys of the witnesses to the plates who stated that they leafed through it and turned pages.
He learned the language beastie, that's the point.
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Gazelam wrote:That he ws allowed through the stone to understand what he was reading, doesent mean he understood exactly how to express it.
Gaz, he only needed to read off what was written on the stone. The stone went way beyond merely allowing him to "understand" anything.
If you disagree with me, the please tell us: What, exactly, was written on the magic rock?
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