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schreech wrote: What "reality" are you talking about here?

I neglected to answer this portion of your inquiry because it deserves specific attention. I used the word "reality" because there is one that is tangible that can be seen right here in the flesh. If you patiently bear with me I will give you a rough sketch and a few examples of what you can see that is real.

Often in scripture references are made that sound as if an individual is being spoken of but it is actually societal bodies of people gathered upon a united goal or mindset being spoken of. Thus, when I speak of "the adversary" I am knowingly making a reference not to just a single individual person. Rather, I am making a reference to a single spiritual force that has become adopted into the mindsets of a societal body of people who are unitedly working for a specific goal.

With that distinction in place, let's take a look at the closest thing that is real that I am confident we all can agree upon that represents an advocate for us in terms of our individual unalienable rights to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We had the great fortune to receive from a body of men a document whose sole purpose was to restrain man's innate tendency to rob, plunder and violate one another for our own selfish gain. They put in place a system of governance that makes all men free, yet only inasmuch as they stay within the bounds of the "free will and choice" cooperation of all individuals around him in honoring their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness too.

All those participating in this development were believers in God because the document itself explicitly mentioned Nature's God and the God of Creation to which they ascribe as the source of our individual unalienable rights. The vast majority derived their religious views from the Bible and held it as inviolate truth and likely had a knowing they were actually fulfilling prophecy to form this great nation upon those principles. Our prosperity and relative peace compared to ages past are a direct result of this development of freedom. These men were our advocate.

Now that we have this backdrop, I would like to introduce you to the real adversary of which I speak. I say adversary in terms of being an enemy to our individual unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I speak of a spiritual force that is being adopted by multitudes of people to act in accordance with its agenda. Once I introduce you to those people and help you discern how that common spirit is working through them that you will be able to appreciate the substantive reality of what I speak.

Our adversary has a much different tool belt of devices to work with than our advocate does. While our advocates toolbelt has truth and love, which always win in the end, our adversary's most productive tools for his agenda are deception and force. The adversary knows no individual on their own, while fully understanding everything he is about, would ever elect to advance his agenda. Thus, deception initially until force can secure is his method. His agenda is to pillage and plunder all he can to simply satisfy his own lusts, which have no end. Of course it won't look that way on the surface, but that is a core aspect of his spirit if you peel back the facade.

In a nutshell, here's the shift that has been implemented by our adversary. Maintaining a society where all individuals are absolutely safeguarded in their individual rights as sovereigns to freely cooperate out of love rather than coercion has now been transformed into a society where a majority of individuals can begin to put all individuals of the society into servitude to service the "needs" of everyone else via coercion. They are accomplishing this through the agency of government. Without realizing it, they have created of themselves the ouroboros, which begins to feed itself upon its own flesh.

The sign of the ouroborus can be seen in many things. One of the most obvious is our Federal Reserve monetary system. All of the money it puts into circulation for us to use has some form of debt instrument with usury to back it. Saying it prints money out of thin air is an understatement. The collateral pledged to back the value of the monetary units it puts out on loan for our use is ourselves. When those holding our dollars wish to have a fair and reasonable value in redemption for them do not receive such, we are going to wish it was just thin air these notes were backed by. We were deceived into allowing a very few elitists to put together this system that essentially put into motion their ability to collateralize us, monetize the debt instrument, and then rake in a cream stream of usury directly into their own pockets. The Federal Reserve System is NOT a government agency. This monster is getting so hungry for things of value to collateralize so that more money can be produced that they are now having to come up with new things to monetize. Kyoto Credits are the next thing they are going to use to create another cream stream to exploit. All of these things are being done in direct violation of the principles of our Constitution. As all the debt instruments expand they are in a position of incredible power. They used deception to get it all going and now they are using force to keep it all going. In the meantime, more and more of our body is being consumed by the head. Eventually those who helped facilitate getting the tail in the mouth because it was so far removed from them and they received benefits of the tail being consumed are going to feel the teeth slicing through their own flesh.

There is a very good description of how Marxist Liberals and Fabian Socialists are utilized as beguiled "useful idiots" by a Russian Communist defector and how things go for them when the teeth of the ouroborus head reaches them. Do please listen to this clip: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov He describes that by the time the "useful idiots" come to figure out they have been beguiled and that they really aren't going to receive the "pie in the sky" utopia they thought could be obtained by mutually enslaving everyone and throwing all moral values out the window, as they become disillusioned and potentially a great force to turn things around they are "disposed of". How can they be saved from the very monster they helped to create? They cannot. They helped to build a system that assumes ownership of all, including individual souls, and thereby they forfeit their own souls to it.

Another example is what transpired with the 9/11 attacks. Our government could have easily prevented what happened and should have. Instead, it appears to me it was somehow beguiled by a true optimist of the Winston Churchill variety. He says an optimist is someone who sees the opportunity in every difficulty and a pessimist is someone who sees the difficulty in every opportunity. How else would Americans be convinced to accept the massive grab of our individual rights in the Patriot Act if there wasn't some pretext for it? I will stop short of saying our government did it, but I am not about to look the other way in what response they gave it. It served the interests of our adversary bigtime to usurp our unalienable rights.

We are getting screwed by both the leftwing socialists and the rightwing statists. This development has been growing steadily for over 100 years and is now increasing at an accelerated pace. It has long passed the point of no return in terms of a peaceful correction. We are now full out engaged in a new War in Heaven where the final confrontation for man's individual agency shall be waged. We have the original plan of the Father to look back on and draw strength from and to help us discern the adversary and the beguiling lies he has used. Many of us shall die under the forceful measures he shall use to preserve his power. We shall die because we left things too long to correct and preserve our mortal lives. All that shall remain for most of us is to be willing to be killed by the adversary such that our soul shall be cleansed of having participated in it so that we shall be worthy to come forth in God's Kingdom after the final battles are over and victory is obtained.

So, the real adversary of which I speak is the body of beguilded men and women who are promoting measures in government (state and religion) to enslave you as an individual in violation of your God-given rights in order to accomplish their aim, which unfortunately is a lie that can never come to be. A snake that eats upon its own flesh shall eventually die. This is happening in the LDS church and every other organized religion on this planet.

If we had real leadership at our head as eyes that could see they would teach the members in very clear and explicit terms who and what the adversary is and get serious about implementing those measures ordained of God that will call down His divine protection when all the death throws of the doomed ouroborus begin. But, they are too busy enjoying their share of the fresh flesh and don't see that it won't be long, as Yuri detailed, when the teeth of the head are going to be consuming them.
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schreech wrote:
j-bug wrote:Paul used that term to describe those who mocked or took His offering for granted.
I'm the least bit concerned about your insinuation I am "out of vogue". Being "in vogue" is only a matter of concern to people that believe in relying upon the arm of flesh.


Well, i see you didn't even attempt to answer a single question i asked...where did paul say that?

I don't care about being in "vogue"...i just think channeling crazy train kimball is not really helpful in a discussion about modern LDS beliefs...


j-bug wrote: You may think the adversary I speak of is a pretend adversary. I am sure this is exactly what he wants you to think. In fact, getting you to think that is what gives him the kind of power he likes best.


Keyser soze has me right were he wants me - lol...How about this...prove that he exists...I thought supernatural characters lost power when you didn't believe in them - haven't you read peter-pan or seen the never-ending story?...different fairy tales i suppose.
I was working on the reply to the main question separately because it deserves more focused attention and a little more than a few words. I just posted it a few minutes ago. Enjoy.

Read Hebrews 6:6 and you will see where Paul talked about crucifying Christ afresh. You are doing that and I sorrow for you.
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j-bug wrote:
harmony wrote:1) You haven't proven Abraham existed.
2) You haven't proven Sarah existed.
3) You haven't shown where the so-called Law of Sarah existed outside of Joseph's brain.

You might try to lay your foundation on rock solid evidence before you build your most imiportant argument on sand.
I have evidence more solid than rock that can easily stand up to your feeble arguments.


I'm waiting. While you're finding that rock solid evidence that shows Abraham actually existed, please look for the unreported and unwitnessed restoration of the higher priesthood. I'm sure our church leaders would be pleased if you could find it.

In time you shall have that to *gag* on too.


I have no beef with Christ. What I have is an inability to take seriously any male who claims women were created as things, chattel, for the amusement and usage by men. That includes you. There is simply no way God would allow what you believe to happen. Were he to allow that, he would not be God.
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j-bug wrote:I am definitely not a mainstream LDS but I am devoted to the church and take all of my oaths and covenants seriously. I expect some day I could be excommunicated and I'm willing for that to happen, but I am in no hurry to get there.


This is the most bizarre contradiction I have read on this board. If you are not "mainstream LDS", what are you? If you are a member of a polygamous off-shoot group, then, yes, you WILL be excommunicated if the Church finds out.

How can you take the temple oaths and covenants seriously, and not be attending, and devoting your service to the Church? You covenanted to devote your time and your talents to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

The temple covenants are covenants of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The current prophet is Thomas S. Monson. If you are dedicated to some offshoot group, then you are not honoring your temple covenants.

It seems to me that you have a little "mote-beam" syndrome going on. Before you start preaching to everyone else here about how unworthy they are to enter the Celestial Kingdom, you may want to reexamine your own life and choices.
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harmony wrote:I'm waiting. While you're finding that rock solid evidence that shows Abraham actually existed, please look for the unreported and unwitnessed restoration of the higher priesthood. I'm sure our church leaders would be pleased if you could find it.
The proof I have for Abraham's existence really is quite simple. It's documented.

All major world religions, including Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Judiasm, Christianity, etc. all unequicvocally bear record of his existence. In light of the evidence in so many non-mythical documents attesting to his factual existence, the burden of proof that he never existed is yours.

The existence of China has also been documented by sincere and credible people too. Going to China was a very natural process. I did not encounter any relief when the plane flew in to Shanghai to know that it was there. It just was. The matter of Abraham's existence is no different.

You just have an axe to grind because he is so honored and he had a submissive wife you loathe.

The higher priesthood was restored via revelation. The visit of Peter, James and John was merely to convey the keys of the apostleship. For those of the native blood of Israel, you are born with the priesthood. It's in the blood. One's priesthood is part of one's eternal inheritance. That is why the church refered to the process as priesthood confirmation in some cases rather than priesthood conferral. Why confer something to someone they already have? Back in the day when they knew things to this level of accuracy, revelation was received as to whether a man already had priesthood from the pre-existence or if it needed to be conferred. Since policy began replacing revelation in ecclesiastical matters, this level of information became moot. There was a rather significant confusion on this about the time of President Grant, when things started to be corporatized. By that time things had been heading south so it's no surprise they made a mess of this and never actually got it straightened out.

harmony wrote:
In time you shall have that to *gag* on too.

I have no beef with Christ.
You have no beef with your fantasy version of Him.

harmony wrote:What I have is an inability to take seriously any male who claims women were created as things, chattel, for the amusement and usage by men. That includes you.

You are the one who falaciously added the "for amusement and usage by men" part insinuating that is my motive for what I promote. If you carefully read all of my posts you will see that to me women are something to cherish and take excellent care of in every way possible such that my Savior shall cherish and take excellent care of me.

What I oppose here is what the world is saturating women with that has them presenting themselves as objects for the amusement and usage by men. It breaks my heart to see how women are so beguiled and value men who do treat them as objects for amusement and loathe men who would cherish and honor them if they strived to be worthy of such.

Take our little opportunistic schoolboy Screech who likely expects people in these forums to think he's a pretty cool guy who has a fulfilling sex life because he has his wife dress up like a little helpless school girl who needs some help with her studies and he is able to help her but in order for her to get that help from him he gets to wet his little 2-pump chump noodle in her first. Where's your outcry against this little prick who is role-playing exactly what you despise for the sole purpose of base amusement? Somehow that's just fine with you to depict such depraved treatment of a helpless little schoolgirl?

harmony wrote:There is simply no way God would allow what you believe to happen. Were he to allow that, he would not be God.
You are confused at best. How can you claim to have any credible conception of God when your mind seems incapable of honest and sincere communication. You disregard things I say and insinuate things I never said in order to twist and corrupt how I am perceived. If you cannot even conduct yourself in a manner to accurately know me, a simple man, the last being I would consider you an authority on is God.
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j-bug
All major world religions, including Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Judiasm, Christianity, etc. all unequicvocally bear record of his existence.


So true. Would you mind telling me where you think the grave of Abraham is?
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The proof I have for Abraham's existence really is quite simple. It's documented.

Betcha I can get more who will testify Santa Clause exists. I have even seen his slay show up on NORAD radar from the Department of Defense.
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liz3564 wrote:
j-bug wrote:I am definitely not a mainstream LDS but I am devoted to the church and take all of my oaths and covenants seriously. I expect some day I could be excommunicated and I'm willing for that to happen, but I am in no hurry to get there.


This is the most bizarre contradiction I have read on this board. If you are not "mainstream LDS", what are you? If you are a member of a polygamous off-shoot group, then, yes, you WILL be excommunicated if the Church finds out.
The main reason I don't want to be excommunicated is because whoever does so shall have innocent spiritual blood on their hands and commit the unpardonable sin of denying the Holy Ghost. I really love my local leaders and would feel terribly sorry for them if they were the unfortunate souls who got thrown into the hot-seat of dealing with my situation.

liz3564 wrote:How can you take the temple oaths and covenants seriously, and not be attending, and devoting your service to the Church?
I do attend and devote service to the church. What gives you the impression I don't take my covenants seriously? My contention is I am prevented from taking my covenants seriously.

liz3564 wrote:You covenanted to devote your time and your talents to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
The fact that the church changed things around to be a covenant directly to it instead of to the Lord Himself to build up His Kingdom is a very good clue that things have gone awry.

I attempted to consecrate but the church would not receive it. I consider this breach of contract rendering my covenant that was worded to the church directly to be null and void.

liz3564 wrote: The temple covenants are covenants of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The current prophet is Thomas S. Monson. If you are dedicated to some offshoot group, then you are not honoring your temple covenants.
You are beginning to understand the nature and structure of the bundles in bands that shall be made tight.

Currently the church has you making covenants it does not permit you to keep, the consequences it states for that is you shall be under the power of the adversary.

I do not see the proper establishment of United Orders anywhere close to being considered even though section 85 clearly states the establishment of such must preceed the calamities as a preparatory measure for the salvation of the Saints. However, talk about the particulars of the Law of Consecration in the church these days is almost as taboo as talk about Celestial Plural Marriage is.

The endowment as it currently stands at face value in the current context the church allows is consigning all endowed Mormons to the adversary's power. It's in plain English and doesn't take more than a few bits of common sense to put it together.

That should tell you who has taken over and who is running the program. Lucifer is at it again and at some point Eve has got to open her eyes and call a spade a spade and declare to her source of religion "I know thee now!" and cast that ole bugger down.

liz3564 wrote: It seems to me that you have a little "mote-beam" syndrome going on. Before you start preaching to everyone else here about how unworthy they are to enter the Celestial Kingdom, you may want to reexamine your own life and choices.
I am here saying what I am because I have very carefully reexamined my own life and choices and found that if I just continued going with the flow that I was going to be in for an extremely unpleasant rude awakening.

I wouldn't speak of it with the level of authority that I do if I didn't also come to see how what I speak of is very plainly and clearly prophesied to happen in both scripture and the endowment. Knowing what I speak of allows everything to come into a razor sharp focus. All is far from well in Zion.

This incredibly all encompassing level of understanding things does not come until you are able to realize and accept we are currently being sold a cheap knock-off counterfeit plan to have intercourse with the world that is being foisted on us by Cain himself.

Members such as yourself are continually going to be challenged more and more by this church continuing to seek to please its new master. What are you going to do when a new official declaration comes out that homosexual unions shall be solemized in our temples? You say that day shall never come but I say it shall.

Cain refuses to render the acceptable offering and loves the world more than God. He murders (excommunicates) all who make sincere efforts to show where he has clearly departed from rendering that which is acceptable to God.

Paul spoke very clearly about the standing apostasy that the Savior would have to personally put down upon His return. You won't be able to read 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 correctly until you understand the falling away being spoken of is ours.

Who is the "man of sin"? The leaders of today who have arrogated themselves as infallible beings we are supposed to "just follow" or expect the boot. Nevermind the fact that "the programme" referred to in the excerpt from the manifesto says that all officers in the church can be pulled down by the membership for transgression and that merely not performing one's duty as given constitutes transgression. The right to "not sustain" church officers has been revoked via brainwashing that contradicts the laws of the church the Lord gave to govern it.

The duty of the president of the church is to "be like unto Moses".

Answer me this question:

When is the last time President Monson went into the courts of our Pharoah and demanded to "let his people go and make acceptable offerings to their Lord"? And, when has he spoken with any power and authority to Pharoah laying out the terms if he does not comply?

What I see going on are meetings where the contents of those meetings are kept secret and the sharing of very sacred handshakes being exchanged between them suggesting that solemn and sacred covenants exist between two parties that ought not to exist. If you really look at things objectively and honestly, our church has carpet burns on her back.
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Jersey Girl wrote:j-bug
All major world religions, including Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Judiasm, Christianity, etc. all unequicvocally bear record of his existence.


So true. Would you mind telling me where you think the grave of Abraham is?
I have never been to it myself so I won't be able to help you there. Sorry.

While we are on the subject, where's the grave of your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather? Unless you can take me to it, according to some people's logic, I should refuse to believe you had one.
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Molok wrote:I stopped reading at "honorable use of your clitoris." What the hell?
Don't worry, you'll be sound asleep again after a while if that's what you want.
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