Show me a religious organization without a sordid past

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sock puppet wrote:What results, considering the afterlife? Are you hoping once we've all died, you can say "I told you so"?


Lol! - I can't imagine a bigger waste of time than spending my time "considering the afterlife"... I have similar reasons for why I don't sit around "considering" the inter-workings of the warp drive...
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sock puppet wrote:Does a belief having a comforting effect make it true?

What results, considering the afterlife? Are you hoping once we've all died, you can say "I told you so"?

No.

Did you bother to read the sentence following the one you underlined? I would say no, because it should have answered both of your questions.
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schreech wrote:Lol! - I can't imagine a bigger waste of time than spending my time "considering the afterlife"... I have similar reasons for why I don't sit around "considering" the inter-workings of the warp drive...

I admit I've spent a lot of time considering infinity. It may not be o much practical value, but it is entertaining. I haven't spent nearly as much time wondering about the refrigerator light.
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asbestosman wrote:...considering infinity. It may not be o much practical value, but it is entertaining. I haven't spent nearly as much time wondering about the refrigerator light.

Have you considered studying the history of the development of the incandescent light bulb? That is entertaining as well.
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asbestosman wrote:
sock puppet wrote:Does a belief having a comforting effect make it true?

What results, considering the afterlife? Are you hoping once we've all died, you can say "I told you so"?

No.

Did you bother to read the sentence following the one you underlined? I would say no, because it should have answered both of your questions.


Actually, I thought you might have seen the first question coming from a bit further away. While I would not see something having a comforting effect as being validation of truth, I see it something of comforting effect as real value, since what we experience and what can soothe us is the ultimate experience and ultimate value. At least from my hedonistic perspective. "If it makes you feel good, it can't be all bad."--unless of course, it is being used as a tool by someone else to leverage something else of value from you, like 10% of your financial bounty.
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It is something that I like about Catholicism...shortcoming of people are all the more proof that we need Jesus Christ. The old saying, "The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for Saints."

That being said, I've been watching "The Borgias"...so yeah, Pope Alexander VI wasn't concerned with piety!

For Catholics, we're more concerned that the "faith handed on" is protected from error. Which, we see it has, and this could only be possible amidst bad history and human history in general, by the power of the Holy Spirit. We see in conjunction with the bad, a lot of good, all of that good being full of God's grace.

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Simon-

If you had included the LDS Church in your original post, how many bulleted points would you have assigned to them?

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Morley wrote:Simon-

If you had included the LDS Church in your original post, how many bulleted points would you have assigned to them?

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All seven of the deadly sins would be included, for starters.
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sock puppet wrote:
Actually, I thought you might have seen the first question coming from a bit further away. While I would not see something having a comforting effect as being validation of truth, I see it something of comforting effect as real value, since what we experience and what can soothe us is the ultimate experience and ultimate value. At least from my hedonistic perspective. "If it makes you feel good, it can't be all bad."--unless of course, it is being used as a tool by someone else to leverage something else of value from you, like 10% of your financial bounty.

Sockpuppet,
Are you saying in your last sentence that you believe the leaders of the LDS church are knowingly perpetuating a fraud to get money from the faithful? No matter what problems there may exist in the church I find that difficult to imagine.
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Morley wrote:Simon-

If you had included the LDS Church in your original post, how many bulleted points would you have assigned to them?

-Morley



One, two, or three... those were just examples. I did not list the extensive sordid history of any religious group.
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