Hoops wrote:See, that's what frustrates us. Why not just engage us with what you know? Let's have a discussion - pretend I'm the weird neighbor who is a biblical literalist. I'm fairly nice, I make sure your garbage cans don't blow away. I cut an extra row of grass so you don't have as much to do. I even return your newspaper to you when I'm done with it in the morning.
We don't have enough time, and you need a lot more of the basics to really understand what people here are talking about. People have already listed a number of scientific understandings that prove the flood did not happen, but you dismiss them in a way which suggests you do not actually understand them, and that understanding really cannot be given here. I suggest taking some university courses or at least get some text books and read them.
CSA wrote:Over 4000 lbs of fossilized shells have been taken from the tall Andes mountains. Evidence or conspiracy?
It's evidence that what's now the Andes Mountains was once the bottom of an ancient seafloor before plate tectonics pushed it upward.
It is most definitely NOT evidence of a global flood, since all of those fossils are far, far older than a mere 5,000 years old or so.
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We don't have enough time, and you need a lot more of the basics to really understand what people here are talking about. People have already listed a number of scientific understandings that prove the flood did not happen, but you dismiss them in a way which suggests you do not actually understand them, and that understanding really cannot be given here. I suggest taking some university courses or at least get some text books and read them.
[/quote] It's evidence that what's now the Andes Mountains was once the bottom of an ancient seafloor before plate tectonics pushed it upward.
It is most definitely NOT evidence of a global flood, since all of those fossils are far, far older than a mere 5,000 years old or so.[/quote] So it's the fossil age that is the critical piece of evidence here?
Hoops wrote: So it's the fossil age that is the critical piece of evidence here?
One critical piece, yes. I think you'll find land that was once under the sea bears evidence of thousands of years of fossilized marine life, not just the shallow deposit of fossils that might have come from a single flood.
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The flood of Noah was local, but there was "flooding" all over the planet because of a comet impact in the Indian Ocean. Heavy rain (or snow) all over the planet. See my post below for further details.
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The Flood of Noah occurred in the Valley of Armenia. The River Aras flows through this valley and then through a very narrow gorge that is easily clogged. A comet hit the Indian Ocean about 2800 B.C., sending billions of tons of water vapor into the stratosphere. Massive rains, and snows, all over the planet. The Kor-E gorge quickly became clogged, causing the Armenian valley to fill up like a bowel.
The city of Nactchesvan, the south part of the valley of Armenia, is, according to legend, where Noah first landed after the flood.
The Hebrew Bible does NOT say that the Ark landed on "Mount Ararat". That is a mistranslation. The Hebrew says that the Ark rested "on the high hills of Urartu"; the name "Urartu" being the Akkadian word for Armenia, and meant "lava flows".
The Valley of Ararat, which was flooded about 2800 B.C., was anciently called Urartu, which in Akkadian means "lava flows" and indeed there are lava flows all over the valley and surrounding hills and moutains. The valley is known as a great place to grow grapes, and the Bible calls Noah a "husbandman" (grape grower).
The term "whole earth" in Hebrew means "entire land". No reference to the entire planet. The ancient Hebrews had no consept of a "planet". The "entire land" means all the land where Noah lived. The entire "country" that Noah called home (i.e. Urartu...the valley of Armenia).
"forty days and nights" is symbolic. "Forty" means "many". "Seventy" means "a great many" "Gopher wood" does not mean wood made by gophers, but "Khofar" wood; meaning "tar covered" wood. Otherwise, such a large boat would not float Noah had to have been the "Bill Gates" of his day to afford to build such a boat.
Eventually the Kor-E gorge became unclogged, and the Valley of Armenia drained via the Aras River, and at that time the Tigris and Euphrates as well flooded quite terribly. All rivers flooded everywhere. Flooding all over the world at that time because of the comet hitting the Indian Ocean about 450 miles off of Madagascar.
The Valley of Armenia WAS flooded about 2800 B.C. (the time the comet hit), and there is evidence of great flooding all over the earth at that time, and this is when tens of thousands of mammoths in Siberia "froze" within a few hours because of massive snow storms at that time.
Chinese sources recount how the cosmic monster Gong Gong knocked over a pillar of heaven and caused flooding toward the end of the reign of Empress Nu Washington, around 2810 BC. The 3rd century BC Egyptian historian Manetho says there was an "immense disaster" (but doesn't say what kind) during the reign of the pharaoh Semerkhet, around 2800 BC. The tomb of Semerkhet's successor, Qa'a, was built of poorly dried mud bricks and timbers showing unusual decay; the following pharaohs of the second dynasty relocated the royal cemetery to higher ground. Analysis of astrological references in multiple myths from the Middle East, India and China, describing planetary conjunctions associated with the flood storm, whose actual times of occurrence can be reconstructed using contemporary astronomy software, leads one to conclude that the event happened on or about May 10, 2807 BC.
According to the Book of History, compiled by Confucious:
"Like endless boiling water, the flood is pouring forth destruction. Boundless and overwhelming, it overtops hills and mountains. Rising and ever rising, it threatens the very heavens. How the people must be groaning and suffering!"
According to The Book of History, this flood happened under the reign of Emperor Yao, about 2800 B.C. The flood waters are described as "boiling" meaning that when the water came down from the upper stratosphere (being sent there because of high impact from a comet) it had been super-heated first into a vapor, then it came down as boiling water.