The 5 ways Joseph translated

[_Buffalo]

If you looked at the "link" I provided, you would see a listing of all known accounts of the method of translation. My simple observation in reading every account shows which are the dominant methods. Head in hat was clearly only a secondary or third method per the all known accounts.

Every first hand account lists head in the hat only. I can see that the dark Satanic path of moplogetics has turned your into a liar for Satan.

[_thews]

Here's a little "truth" for you Obiwan, as what you call "quote mining" is actually acknowledging the facts...

....various quotes....

Hey thews..... Why don't you read the link I posted which gives all the known accounts of the translation process.

You know why you post links to where your supposed information could be found? It's because one must weed through the muddy waters of distortion to find your point for you. And what exactly is your point ldsfaqs? Is it that there were so many translation methods that we just don't know? Does this even make sense? If Brant Gardner uses "finger on book" and the LDS art depicts this "method" of translation, does it add yet another method to your list? The plates didn't even need to be in the room for Joseph Smith to translate them, so is mental telepathy #9?

Facts can be used to LIE buddy, just like you just do, completely ignoring the facts in my post/link which debunk your bearing false witness.

You haven't debunked anything. The "various quotes" you conveniently cut out in your reply all state the same thing. What they didn't say, were anything other than seer stone placed in hat. You have three data points from the most credible witnesses available, yet you claim "facts" prove them to be liars.

According to all known accounts, the head in hat was only a secondary or third method, not the main method.

According to Emma Smith, Martin Harris and David Whitmer, the method used by Joseph Smith to translate the Book of Mormon were seer stone placed in hat. We have exhibit A, B and C, and if you feel a more credible trifecta of witness accounts negates them, please quote them along with references... you know, quote your supposed point rather than the place I'm supposed be able to find it for you. If you do quote your supposed point, you'll be held to it, which is what you don't want to and why you don't.

Just because you quote SOME accounts/facts of the head in hat, of the MANY times the translation occurred doesn't mean you are telling the actual truth. It's called a "half-truth" you devil worshiper! :(

Your insults are comical Obiwan. To the lurkers, let me explain where the anger comes from. When one holds conflicting beliefs, it creates dissonance. To appease this dissonance and maintain belief in cognitive thought, there must be substantial evidence to override the source (truth) of the dissonance. Mormons often use "anti" as a means to automatically reject criticism of LDS history. This can be found in above anger, as Obiwan claims the accounts of Emma Smith, Martin Harris and David Whitmer are all categorically false. To appease his dissonance, he must create a number of counter arguments (distortion) which supposedly outnumber the source of his angst (the truth). When he can't formulate a sound argument, anger is the result, hence the use of "devil worshiper" in the above.

I am a Christian who believes Joseph Smith was a false prophet of God, per Christian doctrine. Christian doctrine rejects the doctrine of Joseph Smith as that of a false witness, or more succinctly a false prophet of God. Occult seer stones used to contact evil treasure guardians is the method used to translate every single word of the Book of Mormon, and D&C 10:1 clearly defines when the supposed Nephite spectacles/Urim and Thummim were taken back, which was before the published version of the Book of Mormon was started. This depiction of what is known to be true is not depicted in LDS art, which creates dissonance between what is true vs. what is distortion.

So, to those who are rooting for Obiwan to make a coherent argument, if he had a valid point to make he would. Since he doesn't, all we get are these childish rants. Again Obiwan, if you have a point to make, quote the statement(s) of a supposed witness to what you claim thwarts my argument, which is that by all credible accounts, every single word of the published version of the Book of Mormon was done using seer stones placed in a stove-pipe hat, and those exact same seer stones were used by Joseph Smith (for hire) to see evil treasure guardians before the Book of Mormon.