why me wrote:What is the goal of MormonThink? To bring 'truth'? Or is it to lead people away from the church? Is the sight a wolf in sheep clothing? I seem to think so. And every church has the right to deal with people who are seeking to harm the church with disfellowshipment or excommunication. The church needs to be of one mind, no different from the time of Paul.
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the goal is. If the information is true, it's true, regardless of whether it "leads people out of the church." Do you honestly believe we should lie to people, cover up truth, just to keep people in the church?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
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why me wrote:Why would the national press care how a local LDS church handles disciplinary actions for people who attempt to lead people out of the church?
Because it gives the lie to the church's "I Am a Mormon" campaign of inclusiveness and diversity.
By the way, catholics have their own ways to excommunicate people or not to allow them to take the sacrament. For example, if a catholic divorces and marries again, they can't take the sacrament unless their previous marriage is annulled. All faiths have their rules.
The LDS church's rule is that truth cannot be published.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Bob Loblaw wrote: How would that site lead people out of the church? All they would have to do is invent their own truth and ignore MormonThink.
I have never seen that site as prolds. I have always seen the sight as antilds church. That is my opinion. What is the goal of of people who run that site? To bring members back into the church? To help members stay in the church?
I think that the goal is to bring people out of the church and they seem to work from within. Now I could be wrong...but that is my opinion.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Bob Loblaw wrote: Because it gives the lie to the church's "I Am a Mormon" campaign of inclusiveness and diversity.
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Well, even if you are right, the people who run the site should not be members. They are working against the church. And I think that that is the point with the local leadership. If the church says this, they say that. If the church does this, they do that.
I don't think that the people who run that site like the LDS church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:I have never seen that site as prolds. I have always seen the sight as antilds church. That is my opinion. What is the goal of of people who run that site? To bring members back into the church? To help members stay in the church?
I think that the goal is to bring people out of the church and they seem to work from within. Now I could be wrong...but that is my opinion.
I believe them when they say their goal is to provide the truth. No one can say that the information they provide is untrue. I could not care less if the truth causes people to leave the church, as at least they will have made an informed decision.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:Why is Gods Church afraid of truth?
What truth are they afraid of? One can always be a naysayer. No matter what the church does or print, no matter how much they attempt to placate sites like MormonThink, they would not be happy. The claim of truth could always be made or the claim that something is left out from the church sites. That is the way it is.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Bob Loblaw wrote: Because it gives the lie to the church's "I Am a Mormon" campaign of inclusiveness and diversity.
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Well, even if you are right, the people who run the site should not be members. They are working against the church. And I think that that is the point with the local leadership. If the church says this, they say that. If the church does this, they do that.
I don't think that the people who run that site like the LDS church.
While I agree somewhat, I do think there is some good material on that site. And often the tone and approach of the authors is not one of a thoughtful, careful, humble, and prayful approach to Mormonism, so I am unsurprised to find LDS leaders going after people associated with the site. At the same time, I do sympathize. They are stating what they view to be the truth as best they see it (although I often disagree with them and feel their approach is flawed). I personally am unafraid of my positions and so I think the authors of post on that site should be as well. If they believe it is the truth, then deal with the consequences. Speak the truth and IF the leaders of the Mormon Church can identify any mistakes - then be willing to admit to them and change your views. If they can find no fault, and still insist you go against what you feel is true, then tell them to jump in a lake. Salvation as I've often said is between you and God and no man.
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Drifting wrote:Why is Gods Church afraid of truth?
What truth are they afraid of? One can always be a naysayer. No matter what the church does or print, no matter how much they attempt to placate sites like MormonThink, they would not be happy. The claim of truth could always be made or the claim that something is left out from the church sites. That is the way it is.
It's not that Church sites don't post the information that's the problem. It's that the Church posts a misleading version of the information that MORMONTHINK posts.
Which site presents a more factually accurate account of Church History for instance LDS.org or MormonThink?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator