Drifting wrote:When the thread refers to "your tax dollars" is it meaning the 53% that pay tax or the 47% victims, whiners and spongers that Romney doesn't expect to vote for him?
Cheap shot.
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Drifting wrote:If Romney hadn't said the words I couldn't have taken the shot, cheap or otherwise.
The implication is that I share in that opinion. I do not, and linking my OP with that was a cheap shot.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
beastie wrote:So it was placed at the TOP of the Huffpo spot by.... the British?
I just mean that, a) the HuffPo is not the New York Times, ABC, NBC, the Washington Post, so posting a link to a British newspaper hardly reflects vocal criticism from the left.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
beastie wrote:So it was placed at the TOP of the Huffpo spot by.... the British?
I just mean that, a) the HuffPo is not the New York Times, ABC, NBC, the Washington Post, so posting a link to a British newspaper hardly reflects vocal criticism from the left.
Seriously? I can tell you're not a leftie. Huffpo is a HUGE site for lefties like me.
How many people have been killed by these unmanned aircraft in the Central Intelligence Agency’s strikes in Yemen and Pakistan? How many of the dead identified as “militants” are really civilians? How many are children?
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism in Britain has estimated that, in the first three years after President Obama took office, between 282 and 535 civilians were credibly reported killed by drone strikes — including more than 60 children. The United States government says the number of civilians killed has been far lower.
Accurate information is hard to come by. The Obama administration and the C.I.A. are secretive about the fast-growing drone program. The strikes in Pakistan are taking place in areas where reporters can’t go, or would be in extreme danger if they did. And it is all happening at a time when the American public seems tired of hearing about this part of the world anyway.
How does The New York Times fit into this hazy picture?
Some of the most important reporting on drone strikes has been done at The Times, particularly the “kill list” article by Scott Shane and Jo Becker last May. Those stories, based on administration leaks, detailed President Obama’s personal role in approving whom drones should set out to kill.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
I note that Ms. Sullivan makes the same point I have: the Times has not aggressively challenged the administration on their drone policy. The press and president's own party have looked the other way during all of this. Sorry, but a few scattered essays does not mean there is widespread concern or even interest among the left. Of course, I'm not justifying the right, either, who are all too happy to embrace this circumvention of our constitution and international law.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
I'll consider the left to be concerned the second I see protests calling for Obama's prosecution as a war criminal. So far, the only person of consequence on the left who has said any such thing is Ralph Nader.
I wasn't a fan of Bush, but the hypocrisy on the left is pretty damn stunning.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Bob Loblaw wrote:I'll consider the left to be concerned the second I see protests calling for Obama's prosecution as a war criminal. So far, the only person of consequence on the left who has said any such thing is Ralph Nader.
I wasn't a fan of Bush, but the hypocrisy on the left is pretty damn stunning.
Nice to finally know where the goalposts are.
If the left isn't calling for his prosecution as a war criminal, then it doesn't matter how many articles I can link to left-leaning sites that criticize the drone strikes. For example, when I do a specific site search on nytimes.com for "drone strikes", on the first page, four out of ten of the articles are critical. But that won't do, as long as the left isn't calling Obama a war criminal.
So, yeah, I give up.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote:Nice to finally know where the goalposts are.
If the left isn't calling for his prosecution as a war criminal, then it doesn't matter how many articles I can link to left-leaning sites that criticize the drone strikes.
So, yeah, I give up.
You don't see any difference between a few people on the left and right asking for answers from the administration and the widespread calls for Bush's impeachment and prosecution? I'm sorry if I expect consistency from people, maybe because I expect it from myself. It's obvious to me, at least, that whatever outrage there is on the left to these targeted killings of Americans and others without due process pales in comparison to their outrage at Bush. I don't think there's a difference in what Bush and Obama have been doing, except that Bush, so far as I know, didn't target Americans.
You're trying to make this into a partisan issue, and I couldn't care less about partisanship. Do you think I should be happy that the left has largely ignored these issues just because the right has as well?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado