The Last Race-Baiting Campaign...
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I don't think it's fair to Romney to saddle him with Trump and Gingrich. Sununu's a different story.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I don't think it's fair to Romney to saddle him with Trump and Gingrich. Sununu's a different story.
We'll have to disagree on that. I think if the Romney campaign had wanted them to shut up, they could have shut them up.
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beastie wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:I don't think it's fair to Romney to saddle him with Trump and Gingrich. Sununu's a different story.
We'll have to disagree on that. I think if the Romney campaign had wanted them to shut up, they could have shut them up.
Maybe with a call to cousin Guido...

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Brad Hudson wrote:
Maybe with a call to cousin Guido...
Only if Guido spells his name DANITE.
just a joke, folks, just a joke
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I voted for Obama. I associate with most Democratic values and policy positions.
But biologically I happen to have these genes I inherited that were very successful in the past causing me to favor my tribe over other tribes and they didn't turn off because of the enlightenment.
I'd be willing to bet everyone here does, too.
Try this for a rough but interesting test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
People need to calm down.
There are certain blatant forms of race baiting used by politicians on both sides.
Chris Matthews's show was a source of liberal examples where too much air time was spent playing, "Spot the Racist Remark in This Statement". It was detrimental in that it made the real issues of race difficult to discuss with conservatives because they could point to things he said and say, "See?! You're all full of s&^%!" The conservative magazine, The National Review, had a lengthy piece on this that probably hit a home run with conservatives.
My honest opinion: any "political" talk that isn't about actual policy position is prone to become exaggeration intended to play with your emotions.
Regarding the OP: I agree. The Republican establishment will find ways to broaden their message. I suspect many hispanics and blacks would find things within the conservative agenda that resonate with them if the rest of the party would be willing to swallow back their fear. We'll probably see at least two years of guerilla campaiging for the latino vote with people like Marco Rubio acting as the face of the party. I think the Democrats have their work cut out for them, actually, and should be thinking about that probability.
But biologically I happen to have these genes I inherited that were very successful in the past causing me to favor my tribe over other tribes and they didn't turn off because of the enlightenment.
I'd be willing to bet everyone here does, too.
Try this for a rough but interesting test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
People need to calm down.
There are certain blatant forms of race baiting used by politicians on both sides.
Chris Matthews's show was a source of liberal examples where too much air time was spent playing, "Spot the Racist Remark in This Statement". It was detrimental in that it made the real issues of race difficult to discuss with conservatives because they could point to things he said and say, "See?! You're all full of s&^%!" The conservative magazine, The National Review, had a lengthy piece on this that probably hit a home run with conservatives.
My honest opinion: any "political" talk that isn't about actual policy position is prone to become exaggeration intended to play with your emotions.
Regarding the OP: I agree. The Republican establishment will find ways to broaden their message. I suspect many hispanics and blacks would find things within the conservative agenda that resonate with them if the rest of the party would be willing to swallow back their fear. We'll probably see at least two years of guerilla campaiging for the latino vote with people like Marco Rubio acting as the face of the party. I think the Democrats have their work cut out for them, actually, and should be thinking about that probability.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I don't think it's fair to Romney to saddle him with Trump and Gingrich. Sununu's a different story.
I'll give you Gingrich, but Trump was a fundraiser and Sununu was designated an official surrogate.
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krose wrote:I'll give you Gingrich
For what, Baltic Avenue?

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honorentheos wrote:I voted for Obama. I associate with most Democratic values and policy positions.
But biologically I happen to have these genes I inherited that were very successful in the past causing me to favor my tribe over other tribes and they didn't turn off because of the enlightenment.
I'd be willing to bet everyone here does, too.
Try this for a rough but interesting test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
People need to calm down.
There are certain blatant forms of race baiting used by politicians on both sides.
Chris Matthews's show was a source of liberal examples where too much air time was spent playing, "Spot the Racist Remark in This Statement". It was detrimental in that it made the real issues of race difficult to discuss with conservatives because they could point to things he said and say, "See?! You're all full of s&^%!" The conservative magazine, The National Review, had a lengthy piece on this that probably hit a home run with conservatives.
My honest opinion: any "political" talk that isn't about actual policy position is prone to become exaggeration intended to play with your emotions.
Regarding the OP: I agree. The Republican establishment will find ways to broaden their message. I suspect many hispanics and blacks would find things within the conservative agenda that resonate with them if the rest of the party would be willing to swallow back their fear. We'll probably see at least two years of guerilla campaiging for the latino vote with people like Marco Rubio acting as the face of the party. I think the Democrats have their work cut out for them, actually, and should be thinking about that probability.
I'll try to find time to read the article this weekend. I do remember seeing one segment on spot the racist remark and thinking Chris was stretching it. However, he did not say that every criticism of Obama was based in racism. While I don't watch his show religiously, I do watch it enough to feel comfortable stating that.
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krose wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:I don't think it's fair to Romney to saddle him with Trump and Gingrich. Sununu's a different story.
I'll give you Gingrich, but Trump was a fundraiser and Sununu was designated an official surrogate.
Romney certainly could have had a sister souljah moment at the very least.
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beastie wrote:I'll try to find time to read the article this weekend. I do remember seeing one segment on spot the racist remark and thinking Chris was stretching it. However, he did not say that every criticism of Obama was based in racism. While I don't watch his show religiously, I do watch it enough to feel comfortable stating that.
That's fair. I'd also recommend the article from The National Review as an inside look on how conservatives feel about this allegation. I found it online, here: National Review
I'll warn you that reading The National Review can get to me once in a while as I really find the general tone grating. It's one of three politics-based magazines I subscribe (the others being Reason and The Nation) and of them it's the one I relate to the least. In fact, I usually disagree with most of the articles. But I try to use the fact I get a negative response to the writing as a tool, in that I find myself forced to confront the emotion and engage the writing itself. I've found it helpful in understanding the conservative arguments for their positions as well as why some things they say that seem so irrational are more grounded than I would have accepted otherwise.
I think this is one of those cases. I do agree that race was part of the national campaign, but I disagree that there was as much as the right was accused of. And frankly, I think true progressives should recognize that going out of our way looking for racism can undermine our argument for being the grown-ups in the room.
EDIT: To change link so it connected to the 1st page of the article.
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