Asymmetrical Warfare

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_Doctor CamNC4Me
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Re: Asymmetrical Warfare

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Since the administration thinks it's a good idea to stage troops in SA I thought this wold be worth sharing; Trump from a few years ago:

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Asymmetrical Warfare

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ajax18 wrote:
No, I just think according to the constitution this should have been a decision left to the states not the federal government.


The Constitution was amended to specifically change that. The Constitution says this is not a decision left to the states. Slavery was not unilaterally ended with the election of Lincoln, so this makes no sense as a moral justification for the Confederacy. Alabama did not lose its right to have slaves when Lincoln was elected. The Confederate states were rightly worried that the election of a free soiler would lead to a political reality in which the influence of the slave states would wane over time and thus eventually result in the legal restriction of slavery. This is a position you describe as inevitable yourself. They rebelled to have a nation-state in which the power of slave-states would be maintained in perpetuity.

It's nice that you oppose the 13th amendment. Real neat. But it has nothing to do with the position you are arguing.
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Re: Asymmetrical Warfare

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Not that it's relevant to Ajax's non-sequiter argument, but many of those "states rights" Confederate leaders were behind the fugitive slave act of 1850 passed only a few years prior to the start of the civil war. They cheered the Dred Scott decision. They didn't' seem to care very much about states rights then. They were like modern gay rights opponents a decade ago. They wanted the federal government to impose their views on everyone, and if they started losing that battle, they retreated into hypocritical call for states rights to impose them at the state level where they still held power. As a group, they were not by any stretch principled federalists.

American history is basically a story of a never-ending battle with those pricks.
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