I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away.
Matthew 25, continued:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away. At some point we'll be held accountable to the Lord for this.
Uh-uh. Somehow, I don't have the impression from the passage quoted that it would be safe for you to assume that the real Jesus will just say "OK, I suppose you thought your level of giving was appropriate, so that's fine by me".
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Here's a simple way to put that perhaps a liberal might understand. Have you ever heard the saying, "My body, my choice." Well this is my saying and I walk into gunfire to defend it. "MY LABOR, MY CHOICE!"
(I reduced the type face because it hurt my eyes.)
No, you wouldn't walk into gunfire to defend it. You won't even stop paying taxes and go to jail to defend it.
Uh-uh. Somehow, I don't have the impression from the passage quoted that it would be safe for you to assume that the real Jesus will just say "OK, I suppose you thought your level of giving was appropriate, so that's fine by me".
Maybe not. But like Jersey Girl and her stance on abortion, it's still between me and God, not me and Bernie Sanders.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Here's a simple way to put that perhaps a liberal might understand. Have you ever heard the saying, "My body, my choice." Well this is my saying and I walk into gunfire to defend it. "MY LABOR, MY CHOICE!"
(I reduced the type face because it hurt my eyes.)
No, you wouldn't walk into gunfire to defend it. You won't even stop paying taxes and go to jail to defend it.
When the time is right Morley, perhaps Odin will let us settle this in a personal combat.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away.
Matthew 25, continued:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away. At some point we'll be held accountable to the Lord for this.
Uh-uh. Somehow, I don't have the impression from the passage quoted that it would be safe for you to assume that the real Jesus will just say "OK, I suppose you thought your level of giving was appropriate, so that's fine by me".
Maybe not. But like Jersey Girl and her stance on abortion, it's still between me and God, not me and Bernie Sanders.
The words I quoted were not said by Bernie Saunders, but by another Jew, Jesus Christ himself. You don't think he meant what he said?
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Chap I didn't post the rest of the passage because I figured ajax knew the it. But thank you for doing so. At least it went up in 2 pieces and it's all there. I did do a whole thread (no lengthy) on violations of Christianity that I see happening with the current admin here in Paradise. The whole passage is there tied to the same issue as this thread.
I have no idea why I'm explaining myself.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
Maybe not. But like Jersey Girl and her stance on abortion, it's still between me and God, not me and Bernie Sanders.
In a democratic republic, it is also between you and your fellow citizens, who vote on how society should treat the poor. As LDS leaders teach you—if you should care to listen—your vote is a reflection of your values. So God’s teaching on charity can be reflected in the policies you vote to support. If you vote to support selfishness and greed, then you will be held accountable for that choice.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
Ajax wrote:I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away.
No, you believe in a Jesus that respects agency of the employer to wield market power over the laborers, but you disrespect the agency of the laborer to form unions to fight back. You believe strongly in monopsony power instead of a free market. You believe in slowly destroying the free market such that wealth can be concentrated into as few as hands as possible.
As an example of how much you hate the invisible hand that Father Smith taught, you went ballistic over Biden's ban on non-compete agreements, and have celebrated Trump's immediate efforts upon taking office to rescind these bands. If a kid makes 8.50$ an hour at McDonalds, How dare Wendy's offer him 8.75$? You want to push down workers through free-market destruction such that their prospects become so miserable, that they quit wanting to work, and when that happens, you'll have even more to complain about!
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
Ajax wrote:I believe in a Jesus that respects agency and allows the laborer to decide where to draw the line on how much to use for himself and how much to give away.
Jesus respects agency? Did you mean to say that Jesus gives agency and judges accordingly as represented in the scripture I posted regarding the least of these? I mean he demonstrates that principle directly in that passage, right?
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
