I Love America!

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Re: I Love America!

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Molok wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:57 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:15 pm
It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!
I defy you to explain in a substantive way how one single word of that is BS.
I suspect that even ceeboo himself has figured out that he can't even come close to honestly meeting that challenge and won't even try.
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Re: I Love America!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:30 pm
Weird how Hamas and Hezbollah fighting an existential war through any means available to them is terrorism, but Haganah, Irgun, Lehi killing around 6000 Arabs and various other civilians (to include the British) is never brought up. Funny how Jews, pre-Zionism owned around 6% percent of Palestine, but now own around 88% and that’s fine according to Jews and Christians.

Isn’t Zionism just another form of supremacism? I don’t know how the state of Israel could’ve been created better, but it seems the Zionists behind the British Mandate for Palestine have been maliciously screwing over the Arabs, or Palestinians, since the 19th and 20th centuries. And why have they got away with it? Because God chooooooooose them and the Arabs are less than the Chosen People, no?

There is no moral upside to this one. It’s wrong. And it’s become evil. Are we to expect that the Palestinians just give up and hope the Israelis will treat them as equals? We know, and they know, that’ll never happen; and it’s because of the supremacist idea that a god chooses them to be above everyone else. It’s awful.

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I have come to the conclusion that Zionism and Jewish Supremacy is not any less reprehensible than white supremacy or any other kind of racial or ethnic supremacy. I think that it is possible and even likely that, when all things are considered, Zionism may have done more harm than good to the world in general, even to Judaism itself. I have long ago abandoned the Biblical notion that a just and all-wise supreme being ever meant for the Israelites or any other group of people to be specially chosen and blessed over all others, especially considering the turmoil, injustice and mutually hateful intolerance that has resulted and is still resulting from this notion.
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Re: I Love America!

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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:07 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:30 pm
Weird how Hamas and Hezbollah fighting an existential war through any means available to them is terrorism, but Haganah, Irgun, Lehi killing around 6000 Arabs and various other civilians (to include the British) is never brought up. Funny how Jews, pre-Zionism owned around 6% percent of Palestine, but now own around 88% and that’s fine according to Jews and Christians.

Isn’t Zionism just another form of supremacism? I don’t know how the state of Israel could’ve been created better, but it seems the Zionists behind the British Mandate for Palestine have been maliciously screwing over the Arabs, or Palestinians, since the 19th and 20th centuries. And why have they got away with it? Because God chooooooooose them and the Arabs are less than the Chosen People, no?

There is no moral upside to this one. It’s wrong. And it’s become evil. Are we to expect that the Palestinians just give up and hope the Israelis will treat them as equals? We know, and they know, that’ll never happen; and it’s because of the supremacist idea that a god chooses them to be above everyone else. It’s awful.

- Doc
I have come to the conclusion that Zionism and Jewish Supremacy is not any less reprehensible than white supremacy or any other kind of racial or ethnic supremacy. I think that it is possible and even likely that, when all things are considered, Zionism may have done more harm than good to the world in general, even to Judaism itself. I have long ago abandoned the Biblical notion that a just and all-wise supreme being ever meant for the Israelites or any other group of people to be specially chosen and blessed over all others, especially considering the turmoil, injustice and mutually hateful intolerance that has resulted and is still resulting from this notion.
It's funny how the writers or supposed "prophets" always choose their own people to be the "chosen" ones destined to rule the world. Joseph Smith did the same thing in his writings. Go figure.

Also, we can thank one Cyrus I. Scofield for popularizing Christian Zionism and the prominence of modern Israel in biblical prophecies.

https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the- ... tians.html
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Imagine someone championing the fascism inherent in Trumpism, also glorifying whiteness.
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Re: I Love America!

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Chap wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:29 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:54 pm
I am going to pass on most of the questions you are asking me.
Talking about Donald Trump and MAGA in the context of recent events is evidently a matter of extreme delicacy, certainly not to be done in public, or so it seems.

Why, I wonder?
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