Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
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A solid majority of people who have owned and intently studied the Communist Manifesto are communists. The only reasonable conclusion here is that criticisms of communism based on source documentation must be wrong.
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EAllusion wrote:A solid majority of people who have owned and intently studied the Communist Manifesto are communists. The only reasonable conclusion here is that criticisms of communism based on source documentation must be wrong.
But EA, even if we wanted to criticize communism, how could we ever find out what the tenets of communism are?
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Simon Belmont wrote:Better to have not served and remained faithful than to have served and forsaken.
Really, Simon?
Better for what? The coffers of the Church?
Which FP/12 told you that gem?
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Darth J wrote:See, when Hinckley repeatedly makes the same misleading statements about the same subject, it isn't an accident.
When an elderly man makes mistakes in live interviews, you harp on him and you berate him.
You're a jerk.
I am sorry to learn that you feel that simple honesty is an unreasonable demand to have for a Prophet.
Oh, honesty is one of the greatest virtues. What are the chances of you trying it? For example, instead of focusing on one or two things Hinckley misspoke about in an interview, why don't you quote some good things he's said or done?
Oh, because you have an insatiable desire to destroy the faith you once knew?
Thought so.
This is an intriguing parallel, Simon. How could J.K. Rowling have known?
You implied that Harry Potter didn't exist. You did not say in which context your implication dwells. There are many people called Harry Potter in the world, and they do exist (by any standard definition of existence).
Cue Darth J. saying "but Simon, how do you know you exist?"
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EAllusion wrote:A solid majority of people who have owned and intently studied the Communist Manifesto are communists. The only reasonable conclusion here is that criticisms of communism based on source documentation must be wrong.
That's not far off. Pure Communism can actually be a very good thing. Pure Communism was never successfully implemented.
But this is a discussion for another day.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Oh, honesty is one of the greatest virtues. What are the chances of you trying it? For example, instead of focusing on one or two things Hinckley misspoke about in an interview, why don't you quote some good things he's said or done?
Honesty=saying nice things about Hinckley, apparently.
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Simon Belmont wrote:When an elderly man makes mistakes in live interviews, you harp on him and you berate him.
You're a jerk.
So, now you are throwing GBH under the bus because he was too old to be elohim's "prophet, seer and revelator" here on earth?....Wow. Pathetic, considering you base your life on the teachings of these crazy old men. The church of belmotism doesn't seem to think that the self-proclaimed mouth-pieces of elohim are any more intelligent than any other geriatric, out of touch, self-proclaimed, pseudo-"prophet". SHOCKING? I am hoping that the LDS church is god's chosen religion at this point as i can't wait to see you get arse-fuked by BY in the millennium...I am guess joe is going to hold you down....
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Simon Belmont wrote:Oh, honesty is one of the greatest virtues. What are the chances of you trying it? For example, instead of focusing on one or two things Hinckley misspoke about in an interview, why don't you quote some good things he's said or done?
Hi, Simon, can we label all lies as the speaker having mispoken?
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Simon Belmont wrote:Pure Communism can actually be a very good thing. Pure Communism was never successfully implemented.
Despite Brigham Young's best efforts.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Darth J wrote:See, when Hinckley repeatedly makes the same misleading statements about the same subject, it isn't an accident.
When an elderly man makes mistakes in live interviews, you harp on him and you berate him.
You're a jerk.
And how convenient that his "mistakes" were limited to misrepresenting uncomfortable aspects of Mormon teachings.
I am sorry to learn that you feel that simple honesty is an unreasonable demand to have for a Prophet.
Oh, honesty is one of the greatest virtues. What are the chances of you trying it?
Yes, let's talk about honesty......
You went on and on and on about how I supposedly misrepresented LDS doctrine about the Atonement. This included, but was not limited to, your evocative comments inviting us to contemplate the wondrous, sacred image of the Savior having trillions of penises violate Him while He suffered for us in the Garden of Gethsemane.
All I ever said was that the Church teaches that Jesus suffered all of our pains in a way we don't understand. Then, after several pages of you talking about trillions of penises penetrating the Only Begotten Son of God, you said that you believe Jesus suffered all of our pain, but you don't know how and it doesn't matter.
This thread has gone on and on and on because you insist that I am lying about what the LDS Church teaches. Now, you are saying that President Hinckley made "mistakes" about what the Church teaches. If President Hinckley made mistakes, it means that I am right---and he was not accurate---about what the Church teaches.
You just conceded the point of this entire 20-page thread.
I would have to say that most reasonable people would not find your behavior to be honest.
For example, instead of focusing on one or two things Hinckley misspoke about in an interview, why don't you quote some good things he's said or done?
Charles Ponzi had a keen fashion sense, and he really doted on his wife, Rose.
Oh, I'm sorry. Was I supposed to say nice things in general about self-aggrandizers who lie to the public so that their followers will keep giving money to their organization? Or was that limited to President Hinckley?
Oh, because you have an insatiable desire to destroy the faith you once knew?
Thought so.
Simon, I don't want to get into a big thing here about what "fraud in the inducement" and "fraud in the factum" mean in contract law, but the short story is that the Church broke the deal by not being true.
This is an intriguing parallel, Simon. How could J.K. Rowling have known?
You implied that Harry Potter didn't exist. You did not say in which context your implication dwells. There are many people called Harry Potter in the world, and they do exist (by any standard definition of existence).
Truly food for thought, Simon. When people say "Harry Potter," we can't be absolutely sure who they mean. So we can't rule out the possibility that Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is a true story. A careful reading of the text, without the fundamentalist mindset and legalisms that some people try to impose on it, may show that it may have really happened, although not necessarily in the way that skeptics with an agenda try to impose upon it.
Cue Darth J. saying "but Simon, how do you know you exist?"
So deranged has Simon Belmont become in his jihad against straw men that now he is imputing his own tried-and-true riposte of last resort to me.