The scale of the protests still seems to be expanding. Understandably so, but man does that come with risks. Coronavirus spreads much more effectively in confined breathing spaces, but with the size of some of these and all the shouting and close contact, it's going to be a miracle if this doesn't drive a large wave of infections.
Yeah, yet another thing I've been obsessing about. When are we going to see the real impact? Another few days or so?
Cases have already more than doubled in our town in the last week, and we had been doing well for a long time. Reopening businesses isn't helping either.
Your dogged determination to sidestep my observation about your love affair with communism is noted in addition to your constant and unrelenting hard-left narrative. The fact that you either don't see or actively embrace their narrative is the exact thing that's pushing us to civil conflict. You're basically the flipside to Ajax's coin, only with a thin veil of 'racial justice' to cover for your politics. It's fairly obvious to the discerning non-partisan reader. It's too bad.
- Doc
Your "observation" is just dumb and I doubt there is a single person on this forum who would even come close to agreeing with you. There is no love affair with a bunch of idiot anarchists and there is no love affair with communism. The only valid observation here is that you're falling victim to the Right Wing's media narrative which intends to confuse people over what's actually happening and get them to avoid the issue of George Floyd. This works for the easily distracted, and those who love to play the "both sides" card.
What you're doing here is actually a projection of yourself. Your irrational obsession with Antifa isn't going to be overlooked because of your own pretense of concern for racism in America. A pretense which was quickly exposed as soon as the "Twitter bots" began to pull you around by your nose about Antifa.
Man, I feel for that guy. What a weird convoluted bizarro world you exist in when you’re DEMANDING that a black cop bend the knee to YOUR whim. Instead of screaming and crying at the guy, in my opinion, if she were truly interested in racial equanimity, she could’ve just asked him how he’s doing, what he thinks of the protests, and what she could do to advance the cause from his perspective.
But instead she’s trying to manipulate the situation and make it about herself. Not a good look.
- Doc
To her whim? Good grief you're dense. Clearly "taking a knee" is an attempt by protesters across the country to express solidarity in purpose. If this guy were truly "with them" as he claims, then what's the big deal? Telling her that being black proves he's with them is just dumb.
He also goes off on a rant accusing her of calling him names which she said she'd never do. Gee, I wonder who's telling the truth? Good thing you got the full context instead of some short video clip that begins and ends in the middle of a confrontation. I know you'd never judge a situation based on partial information.
Even if you describe "antifa" as a grab-bag of leftwing movements, it doesn't really make sense to say the rioting, vandalism, and looting is being driven by antifa. There's clearly black bloc anarchists and other assorted leftists engaging in those things, but there appears to be a diverse set of motivations among the rioters, arsonists, thiefs, and vandals. This is including both right-wingers and a whole heck of a lot of people opportunistically participating in mayhem. There's no evidence that antifa, however you choose to label it, is the organizer of that. They're participants in chaos and, more narrowly defined to actual self-identified antifa, seemingly not all that impactful. Hence the FBI story.
And when you unpack that, there's also the issue that this is happening simultaneously across numerous cities with quite different impacts. Minneapolis experienced the worst riot since Rodney King, but that's not the national story. What's going on in each of these cities is different, and appears to be evolving over time. Right now, we appear to be looking at a lot of police riots and I can't fathom how anyone would describe antifa as the author of that.
Be careful EA, or soon you'll be accused of loving communism. :rolleyes:
Antifa is just a target to distract from what the GOP's culpability in all of this is. They don't want anyone thinking about all the white supremacists in their base who are just fine with cops killing black men.
Antifa is the latest laser dot on the wall all the right wing cats are chasing (when they aren't hunting down the end of a rainbow).
Steve King has been defeated in his Republican primary. Might not seem related to this thread, but it most certainly is.
Steve King, the white supremacist congressman from Iowa, was defeated in a shocking Republican primary Tuesday, bringing an end to the long legislative career of one of Washington’s most explicit bigots.
Former Iowa state Sen. Randy Feenstra defeated King to earn the GOP nomination for Iowa’s 4th Congressional District, according to The New York Times. Feenstra will now face Democrat J.D. Scholten in the general election this November.
That article doesn’t make any sense, and again Icarus, I don’t really get what your love affair is with revolutionary Marxist communism, but you’re really playing with fire if you think these guys would welcome you into their fold if they get their way. The hard-left is very, very dangerous and you’re just trading fascism with Trump for another nightmare dressed in olive green military garb.
Anyway. Of course the FBI didn’t get any intel on antifa. It’s composed of pan-leftist groups composed of leftists of different stripes. They all seem to have different views of what they think the ideal social order looks like. Some of them are Marxists, some are Leninists, some are social democrats or anarchists. But they cohere around a response to what they perceive as a common threat which are in short order capitalism, white patriarchy, and cultural imperialism.
Anyway. People have eyeballs. We have Twitter, and Google, and tv. We see enough ‘antifa types’ to know they’re using the protest to create chaos, which invites overreaction, which invites counterreaction, which leads to civil war. And as always, the people that pay the heaviest price for their revolution are the poor, followed by the middle class, and then maybe a percentage of the wealthy. We see that happening right now. They’re using poor POCs to riot and loot to sow chaos so their sociopolitical aims are facilitated. Antifa is right there in the mix, just are various factions of far-left types, working together to create suffering.
Maybe we’ll see some social equality come out of this. Maybe some more free ____ will happen for poor people. I dunno. But if I were you I’d be side-eyeing the ____ out of these people, because we know what happens if their economic demands are met. And we’re seeing what happens when they aren’t. There’s no upside.
- Doc
Are you kidding me?
Let's get something straight. I'm not "in love" with antifa and I don't give a damn about any of them and I'm sure as hell not trying to be accepted by them. How anyone with a functioning brain could come to that conclusion by me simply pointing out that the Right Wing media's attempt to use them as a distraction from the reason there are protests, is beyond me. Yes, we all have Twitter and google, and anyone who does any amount of critical thinking will see more attempts by people pretending to be Antifa than from actual Antifa. As far as I can tell, with literally hundreds of protests around the country the only clear evidence of Antifa involvement is in places like Portland where we've always known Antifa existed. In most other cases, it is merely assumed that anyone who is white and dressed in black during in a riot must be Antifa. You say you're informed because you have Twitter, but hell, we know white supremacists are posing as Antifa on Twitter too.
It all started with Dan Bongino going off on a FOX News rant using Antifa as a convenient distraction from the main issues at hand, and the next morning Trump announces Antifa to be a terrorist group. They haven't been able to come up with any evidence that Antifa is behind much of anything, and that was the purpose of the post. The FBI hasn't seen any evidence so why in the F is the President declaring a non-existent organization a terrorist organization based off nothing more than the Right's hilarious obsession with using ANtifa as their eternal boogeyman when it is convenient.
