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_Jason Bourne
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2. Who says there is no sex in any other kingdom than the CK? How does anyone know this? Do the bodies of CK folks not funtion the same way as TR folks even though they are all resurrected?

Any official doctrine on this? ;-)


I think the idea comes from D&C 131:
1In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this border of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:Wow.

So when my mum, sis, bro and co. come visiting now and again, I'm gonna think of them as those 'crazies' who keep 'claiming' to be my family?

Nice.


Mon,
Yeah - bizarre and crazy are pretty good words to go with.
...although - in truth - I prefer it to the whole 'People literally burn in hell for eternity for their beliefs' thing...

Swings and roundabouts.


Nah, the people aren't crazy! Just some of the beliefs. People believe in nutso stuff all the time. Did you miss TD's thread about healings? Please refer to it for more craziness people gobble up.
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Perhaps it is as much so as you think the LDS are that you describe in your post. The level of heaven are after all each called glories. In the terrestrial the Son ministers to it inhabitants and in the telestial the Holy Ghost.

Is this official doctrine or speculation? Your opinion? ;-) Seems there is some confusion on this point.



I think D&C 76 is about as official doctrine as it gets. Check it out. You can see that it'snot my opinions nor is there really much confusion on this.
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Post by _The Nehor »

I'm with Jason. Other then what is taught in the D&C and some teachings by Prophets we have no official stance on the various kingdoms. Most of my conclusions are guesswork and I don't think anyone here is in a different boat.
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hey Jason,


1In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this border of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.


Well.... "increase" doesn't mean sex. If I am not mistaken one can certainly have sex without having an increase. (I think "increase" is a funny word to describe spirit children but... maybe it is just me. Smile).

~dancer~
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_BishopRic
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truth dancer wrote:Hey Jason,


1In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this border of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.


Well.... "increase" doesn't mean sex. If I am not mistaken one can certainly have sex without having an increase. (I think "increase" is a funny word to describe spirit children but... maybe it is just me. Smile).

~dancer~


Aww, but don't you know, the carnal nature and desires we have here will be gone in the next life -- so the ONLY purpose for sex is to procreate.

(sad smilie...)
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Moniker wrote:Nah, the people aren't crazy! Just some of the beliefs.

I was talking about the beliefs (and not the people) too :)
Apart from that, yeah - agreed!

I believe in abiogenesis. That's pretty nuts...
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BishopRic wrote:
Aww, but don't you know, the carnal nature and desires we have here will be gone in the next life -- so the ONLY purpose for sex is to procreate.

(sad smilie...)


Also speculation and if it is true there are going to be changes when I am God. Sex is coming back.
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The Nehor wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
Aww, but don't you know, the carnal nature and desires we have here will be gone in the next life -- so the ONLY purpose for sex is to procreate.

(sad smilie...)


Also speculation and if it is true there are going to be changes when I am God. Sex is coming back.


Okay, then maybe I'll come back to the church...

Talk to God for me to see if it's true and let me know, k?!
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BishopRic wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
Aww, but don't you know, the carnal nature and desires we have here will be gone in the next life -- so the ONLY purpose for sex is to procreate.

(sad smilie...)


Also speculation and if it is true there are going to be changes when I am God. Sex is coming back.


Okay, then maybe I'll come back to the church...

Talk to God for me to see if it's true and let me know, k?!


You talk to him. I've got a few answers in this area but I can't give any 'official seal' to them.
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