Mormon posters grasp at straws to discredit dissenter

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Here is the Church Response to The Danzig Story:

http://www.newsroom.LDS.org/ldsnewsroom ... -the-flock

huh.... "divine mandate"? I wonder if they served shrimp at this press conference.

[_Brackite]

There are a few more Places in the Book of Mormon where it Refers and states that Polygamy is abominable and also an abomination, in addition to Jacob Chapter Two. Here is Mosiah Chapter 11, Verses 1-4, and verse 14:

Mosiah 11:1-4, & 14:

[1] And now it came to pass that Zeniff conferred the kingdom upon Noah, one of his sons; therefore Noah began to reign in his stead; and he did not walk in the ways of his father.

[2] For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness.

[3] And he laid a tax of one fifth part of all they possessed, a fifth part of their gold and of their silver, and a fifth part of their ziff, and of their copper, and of their brass and their iron; and a fifth part of their fatlings; and also a fifth part of all their grain.

[4] And all this did he take to support himself, and his wives and his concubines; and also his priests, and their wives and their concubines; thus he had changed the affairs of the kingdom.

...

[14] And it came to pass that he placed his heart upon his riches, and he spent his time in riotous living with his wives and his concubines; and so did also his priests spend their time with harlots.

Now, Here is Ether Chapter 10, Verses 5-7:

Ether 10:5-7:

[5] And it came to pass that Riplakish did not do that which was right in the sight of the Lord, for he did have many wives and concubines, and did lay that upon men's shoulders which was grievous to be borne; yea, he did tax them with heavy taxes; and with the taxes he did build many spacious buildings.

[6] And he did erect him an exceedingly beautiful throne; and he did build many prisons, and whoso would not be subject unto taxes he did cast into prison; and whoso was not able to pay taxes he did cast into prison; and he did cause that they should labor continually for their support; and whoso refused to labor he did cause to be put to death.

[7] Wherefore he did obtain all his fine work, yea, even his fine gold he did cause to be refined in prison, and all manner of fine workmanship he did cause to be wrought in prison. And it came to pass that he did afflict the people with his whoredoms and abominations.

[_Mary]

I'm scratching my head about this too, because it sounds like a bubbling, steaming crock.

Why would he have been falsely accused?

Who are "those men"?

If he was cleared by an Apostle, there is no way the rest of the story could have transpired as it did without ecclesiastical discipline coming down hard on "those men".

What on earth does any of this have to do with homosexuality and the social issue surrounding it, which was apparently the crux of Danzig's problems with the Church?

Coggins you come across as very hard on occassion. (I'm sure that you are not)

People are falsely accused of things all the time. It's human nature and it happens in the church and in business and anywhere else. Obviously someone thought Danzig's father was guilty of theft. He wasn't. He was proven innocent, but the slur remained and he lost his job. He never recieved a church apology.

Here's a witness to the event from postmormon.org

I used to work with Peter's father in the church microfilm vault. He's a very kind, humble man. He was falsely accused of stealing some documents. He didn't do it. But he was treated horribly by the church. This family has suffered tremendously at the hands of church leaders.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.p ... read/6053/

I think your error (and perhaps Danzig's to be fair) is in assuming that church leaders will always act honourably or correctly in every instance.

They wont. They are human. They can be insensitive, ignorant and from all this cufor overly sensitive to criticism.

Doesn't make the church true or false...just human....

[_moksha]

I liked Bill's response at Beliefnet. Here is a snipet:

If someone shows up saying it's perfectly Mormon to have gay sex, because their friends are all gay,
that's obviously a case of compassion outstripping regard for "the rules." But where, in the rules, does it say
that a political party can come up with a proposal to amend the Constitution - particularly when the proposal
is more geared to positioning itself against its political rival than to actually succeeding in a change to the
Constitution - and that you're no longer a good Mormon if you don't go along with an adoption of this strategy?

And don't give me that bit about disagreeing in silence. If a prominent member of the Church can use the pulpit
to publicize - and endorse - a political issue, any other member - as a private citizen - can publicly oppose the
policy. The FMA is not Mormonism. It's a Republican idea for changing the Constitution. Openly disagreeing with
the proposal does not make someone a bad Mormon, let alone an apostate. And if people can only be good
Mormons by letting General authorities mix religion and politics - without so much as a cough in response - Mormonism
is a curse. It really is a cult - or at least some ambitious Nephi-wannabes are trying to turn it into one. And if
that's the case, I think it shows great courage to stand up against that sort of perversion.

[_guy sajer]

I'm scratching my head about this too, because it sounds like a bubbling, steaming crock.

Why would he have been falsely accused?

Who are "those men"?

If he was cleared by an Apostle, there is no way the rest of the story could have transpired as it did without ecclesiastical discipline coming down hard on "those men".

What on earth does any of this have to do with homosexuality and the social issue surrounding it, which was apparently the crux of Danzig's problems with the Church?

Coggins you come across as very hard on occassion. (I'm sure that you are not)

People are falsely accused of things all the time. It's human nature and it happens in the church and in business and anywhere else. Obviously someone thought Danzig's father was guilty of theft. He wasn't. He was proven innocent, but the slur remained and he lost his job. He never recieved a church apology.

Here's a witness to the event from postmormon.org

I used to work with Peter's father in the church microfilm vault. He's a very kind, humble man. He was falsely accused of stealing some documents. He didn't do it. But he was treated horribly by the church. This family has suffered tremendously at the hands of church leaders.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.p ... read/6053/

I think your error (and perhaps Danzig's to be fair) is in assuming that church leaders will always act honourably or correctly in every instance.

They wont. They are human. They can be insensitive, ignorant and from all this cufor overly sensitive to criticism.

Doesn't make the church true or false...just human....

Why do you even bother arguing with Coggins? It is, if humanly possible, even less productive than arguing with Charity. At least with Charity we don't get force fed a mish mash of the talking points for every far right wing nutcase political commentator out there. Charity is just plain deluded. Coggins serves up delusion with nauseating far-right political diatribes.