For instance, I make no bones about being a Democrat, a social libertarian and a friend of Islam. I read my Bible as compelling such views. But, my views are subjective and based upon the same text that leads others to be race-baiting war-mongering teachers at Brazlian universities.
Interesting. The scriptures compel me to be an economic and social conservative, and to love Muslims as I am to love all of God's children, but without any need to be a friend to a religious system that treats its woman like farm animals and whose adherents would saw my head off with a dull butcher knife without the slightest second thought for no other reason than I am non Muslim and disagree with them theologically. The Bible does not compel me either, as I read it, to be a Dhimmi.
But hey, that's just me.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
For instance, I make no bones about being a Democrat, a social libertarian and a friend of Islam. I read my Bible as compelling such views. But, my views are subjective and based upon the same text that leads others to be race-baiting war-mongering teachers at Brazlian universities.
Interesting. The scriptures compel me to be an economic and social conservative, and to love Muslims as I am to love all of God's children, but without any need to be a friend to a religious system that treats its woman like farm animals and whose adherents would saw my head off with a dull butcher knife without the slightest second thought for no other reason than I am non Muslim and disagree with them theologically. The Bible does not compel me either, as I read it, to be a Dhimmi.
But hey, that's just me.
Sheesh . as though Christians have such a great track record treating women as equals..
He questioned your ability to read your sources, despite the sources being right there and the conclusions drawn from them being pretty obvious, because that is what's left for him to argue. Notice how he got called on an awful argument re: written language and marched on as if nothing happened. He's saying whatever to defend his position.
rcrocket wrote:If I believe the Maya script is glyph-oriented, and you all say that it is a strict alphabet, I really wonder what is the significance of that? I don't see how it makes any difference to a discussion of LDS theology or claims. It seems that the question is rather subjective. I may like Chevys over Fords -- so what?
In couple days time, Bob reenters the conversation, hoping we do not recall what provoked our derision in the first place, namely, the following statement:
rcrocket wrote:Let's just say that you believe that a written language can include stick figures and I believe that that a written language requires something akin to an abstract alphabet.
Did it take you this long to come up with Mayan script being "glyph-oriented"? Does it still not qualify as a written language in your book? Who here claims that Mayan is a "strict alphabet"? Why do you weigh in on conversations that deal with topics you lack even the most basic competency to discuss?
Check my posts for months -- my position that Mayan script is not really alphabetic and is glyph has never changed
What difference does it make, whether the Maya code is glyph based or alphabetic? Or that is written or pictorial, or not? If my opinion is based upon what I, a lay reader, has read on the subject, and yours is based similarly but you have a different opinion, what really does that mean for Mormonism?
Forgive me if I drop out of this discussion -- the Maya Code really has no meaning one way or the other to me about Mormonism unless somebody gives a good reason.
For instance, I make no bones about being a Democrat, a social libertarian and a friend of Islam. I read my Bible as compelling such views. But, my views are subjective and based upon the same text that leads others to be race-baiting war-mongering teachers at Brazlian universities.
This 'answer' (which I have just read) says a lot about your approach to discussion on this board. But since other people have pointed out the obvious implications already, I do not need to repeat them.
Which is a good thing, since I am basically a kindly guy who does not like to put people down.
I still note, and continue to note, that our friend Beastie cannot find a single source to contravene Ray (I don't think there are any except perhaps anti-Mormon lay sources) or Cyrus Gordon (and there are lots, but I still like him).
I don't need to find criticisms of Gordon. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty. His speculations have been flatly rebutted by the vast majority of Mesoamerican scholars. That is sufficient.
Name just one. I mean, how educated are you really in this area? Would you like me to name them for you?
As far as Chap's remarks about my discussion style, really, who the heck cares whether the Mayans had a written language, a glyph language, or otherwise? I don't -- it has no meaning to me one way or the other. Why break me over something so inconsequential and in an area where I am not an expert. I confess my limitations.
rcrocket wrote:I still note, and continue to note, that our friend Beastie cannot find a single source to contravene Ray (I don't think there are any except perhaps anti-Mormon lay sources) or Cyrus Gordon (and there are lots, but I still like him).
I don't need to find criticisms of Gordon. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty. His speculations have been flatly rebutted by the vast majority of Mesoamerican scholars. That is sufficient.
Name just one. I mean, how educated are you really in this area? Would you like me to name them for you?
Oh, yeah? Well I challenge you to find one_single_source to contravene Beastie. Name just one. I want just ONE expert in the fields mentioned that contravenes Beastie... Specifically. Do it, or you lose. Ha. Totally just kicked your ass. *pushes rcrocket* Watcha gonna do? *pushes him again* Huh? Rc? Huh? Huh?? Watcha gonna do? *kicks dirt on his shoes*
People probably want to engage in discussing the nature of Mayan written language because you say things like this:
A hieroglyph is not truly a written character in a written language. It is, yes, written on stone or parchment as is artwork. But art is not a written language. I guess it is a matter of subjectivity, what is written and what is art, but I am astounded that in our original discussions you thought Popul Vuh was written in Mayan. Yer no expert; yer not even a diletant. Yer just a gadfly.
Just a hunch.
(by the way, did you mean to say that Beastie is "not even a dilettante"? I always find it funny when people try to use big words in order to sound more intellectual but don't know how to do so properly.)
antishock8 wrote: Oh, yeah? Well I challenge you to find one_single_source to contravene Beastie. Name just one. I want just ONE expert in the fields mentioned that contravenes Beastie... Specifically. Do it, or you lose. Ha. Totally just kicked your ass. *pushes rcrocket* Watcha gonna do? *pushes him again* Huh? Rc? Huh? Huh?? Watcha gonna do? *kicks dirt on his shoes*
Beastie is a lay person. I doubt any expert knows she exists.
Canucklehead wrote:People probably want to engage in discussing the nature of Mayan written language because you say things like this:
A hieroglyph is not truly a written character in a written language. It is, yes, written on stone or parchment as is artwork. But art is not a written language. I guess it is a matter of subjectivity, what is written and what is art, but I am astounded that in our original discussions you thought Popul Vuh was written in Mayan. Yer no expert; yer not even a diletant. Yer just a gadfly.
Just a hunch.
(by the way, did you mean to say that Beastie is "not even a dilettante"? I always find it funny when people try to use big words in order to sound more intellectual but don't know how to do so properly.)
I certainly confess my limits. Sorry for my sarcastic spelling. I don't care one way or the other whether Mayan language is abstract, alphabetic or glyph-based. Why does it matter?
antishock8 wrote: Oh, yeah? Well I challenge you to find one_single_source to contravene Beastie. Name just one. I want just ONE expert in the fields mentioned that contravenes Beastie... Specifically. Do it, or you lose. Ha. Totally just kicked your ass. *pushes rcrocket* Watcha gonna do? *pushes him again* Huh? Rc? Huh? Huh?? Watcha gonna do? *kicks dirt on his shoes*
Beastie is a lay person. I doubt any expert knows she exists.
And why would any Mayan expert know about what's-his-nuts? Hmm? Hmm? Hmmmm? *pushes Rc*