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consiglieri wrote:Although I am now engaging in speculation, if there are Mormons who approve of Pahoran's behavior on the net, I would suspect it may have something to do with the type of Mormons who post on the MAD Board, many of whom are there to engage in a "fight" with anti-Mormons, and who may see Pahoran as a champion of sorts, who is willing to give out as readily as they may perceive they are getting.


Undoubtedly "an ounce of humanity" was hyperbole, intentionally, I might add. But here we have Con, who observes the agenda of many of the LDS on the MAD board: to engage in a fight. A fight. With Pahoran as their champion, yet! Perhaps I wasn't so far off, as those who fight, instead of discuss, usually lack an element of humanity that those who willingly engage in discussion have in abundance. That element being humility. And humility is a requirement of Mormons, along with charity, longsuffering, and kindness. To wallow in unkindness and to pursue fights, disagreements, and arguments is not within the scope of those who legitimately call themselves Mormon. Either take up the gospel of Jesus Christ, or don't, it matters not to me, but be aware that the best anti-Mormon messaging online today is being done on MAD, by Mormons. Pahoran is their Prophet and the Wench is their Porter Rockwell.

As a TR holding Mormon, I can tell you I don't want Pahoran as my champion, I don't want the Mormons on MAD whose agenda is to "fight" defining what the Mormon experience is, and I sure as heck don't want the Wench with her finger on the trigger. It's embarrassing. And shameful. And, in the immortal words of my 5 year old grandson: "that's disgusting!"
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So, are you fond of Danny?
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Gadianton Plumber wrote:So, are you fond of Danny?


I am as fond of Daniel as he is of me.
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harmony wrote:
Gadianton Plumber wrote:So, are you fond of Danny?


I am as fond of Daniel as he is of me.

That is an interesting way to put it.
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Undoubtedly "an ounce of humanity" was hyperbole, intentionally, I might add. But here we have Con, who observes the agenda of many of the LDS on the MAD board: to engage in a fight. A fight. With Pahoran as their champion, yet! Perhaps I wasn't so far off, as those who fight, instead of discuss, usually lack an element of humanity that those who willingly engage in discussion have in abundance. That element being humility. And humility is a requirement of Mormons, along with charity, longsuffering, and kindness. To wallow in unkindness and to pursue fights, disagreements, and arguments is not within the scope of those who legitimately call themselves Mormon. Either take up the gospel of Jesus Christ, or don't, it matters not to me, but be aware that the best anti-Mormon messaging online today is being done on MAD, by Mormons. Pahoran is their Prophet and the Wench is their Porter Rockwell.

As a TR holding Mormon, I can tell you I don't want Pahoran as my champion, I don't want the Mormons on MAD whose agenda is to "fight" defining what the Mormon experience is, and I sure as heck don't want the Wench with her finger on the trigger. It's embarrassing. And shameful. And, in the immortal words of my 5 year old grandson: "that's disgusting!"


Well, the conundrum is that these "warriors" (I'm sure they view themselves as warriors for Christ, I think they're warriors to gratify their own aggressive tendencies that may have to be suppressed in real life) are really just a subset of the LDS posting population. There are quite a few other LDS posters - like consig - who are not there to fight at all. And I usually enjoy interactions with those folks, even though we're on opposite sides of the fence.

I guess the reason I keep returning to MAD, after vacations, is that I really do like having an opposing viewpoint expressed. I think preaching to the choir results in sloppiness and carelessness. Being surrounded by yes men does no one any favors.

Now, obviously this board allows opposing viewpoints, but it can be pretty rough on believers, so I don't blame them for wanting to stay away. I just think it's sad because ZLMB - in its hey-day - was really the ideal solution (for someone like me). The attack dogs were still there, and although the mods couldn't bring themselves to ban P permanently, they did deal with his infractions, unlike MAD. And they were more inclined to ban other believers who were attack-dogs (just not Pahoran due to the personal connection). But that is just not the type of board most of the LDS posters wanted.
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beastie wrote:Well, the conundrum is that these "warriors" (I'm sure they view themselves as warriors for Christ, I think they're warriors to gratify their own aggressive tendencies that may have to be suppressed in real life) are really just a subset of the LDS posting population.


Well, their "leaders" have been shown to be liars and jerks. If the milder LDS posters put up a fuss, things would change. But they don't. The question is... why? And the next question is... do they put their eternal salvation in jeapardy, when they sit idly by and allow liars and jerks to represent the church in such a light?

There are quite a few other LDS posters - like consig - who are not there to fight at all. And I usually enjoy interactions with those folks, even though we're on opposite sides of the fence.


If they enjoyed their interaction with you, why aren't they putting up a fuss? The only way that evil/wrongs can exist is because good people do nothing. If they voted with their feet, if they had the courage of their convictions, MAD would be a wasteland.

I guess the reason I keep returning to MAD, after vacations, is that I really do like having an opposing viewpoint expressed. I think preaching to the choir results in sloppiness and carelessness. Being surrounded by yes men does no one any favors.


All LDS on MAD are Yes Men, even those who don't actively oppose Pahoran and the wench. They give their tacit approval by doing nothing to stop those who are wolves in sheep's clothing, who hide among them like the Taliban who use children as sheilds, whose actions support the enemies of Christ. The worst enemies of Christ are not the critics; the worst enemies are the LDS members who use evil speaking as tools, who crave argument and discension, who create contention and tension, instead of living as examples of the gospel of peace. And those who tacitly support those enemies of Christ by doing nothing share their condemnation. Nowhere in the scriptures does God give men the option of using evil to accomplish good.

So any critic who posts there is surrounded by Yes Men, just not critical Yes Men. And by posting there, critics also give tacit approval to Pahoran and the Wench and all the rest of the Yes Men.

We see thread and thread of "woe, woe is me" from critics who have been suspended or banned from MAD. Yet being banned from MAD is like being banned from Hell.

Now, obviously this board allows opposing viewpoints, but it can be pretty rough on believers, so I don't blame them for wanting to stay away.


I am a believer, and the people who give me the most grief are those who support the MAD regime. And I blame them for many things: for allowing the enemies of Christ to live in secret among them and doing nothing, for defending wrongheaded foolishness, for neglecting not only their implied duty to the church, but their sworn duty to the gospel. There is no excuse for them, for continuing to post on a board that uses harshness, meanness, and lies to bring down the gospel. They do more damage than the critics do! Shame on them. Shame on them all.

I just think it's sad because ZLMB - in its hey-day - was really the ideal solution (for someone like me). The attack dogs were still there, and although the mods couldn't bring themselves to ban P permanently, they did deal with his infractions, unlike MAD. And they were more inclined to ban other believers who were attack-dogs (just not Pahoran due to the personal connection). But that is just not the type of board most of the LDS posters wanted.


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harmony wrote:Just because you were insulted doesn't mean anyone else would have been, doesn't mean the average person would have been, doesn't mean you should have been.

Try to remember that LDS men don't exactly have a stellar performance record for satisfying their women, and that less than stellar record goes back for generations. It's impossible to have that stellar record, if a man believes he may one day have multiple women to satisfy. A tad difficult to concentrate on the one in the now, when the dream is for so many more in the next moment.


I hate to admit it, but this is the best retort I've seen on this board in a long time. Well done, harmony. Bob = Pwned.
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rocket wrote:Way to go Beastie. My wife and children are still stinging over the vulgar references you made to them here when you were stalking me in real life way back when, so you definitely are one tough cookie.

rocket


Oh, good grief, Bob! This was resolved YEARS ago!!! Beastie WAS NOT stalking you!

Please refer to the following thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4774&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=personal+information+beastie&start=84
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Thanks, liz. It's interesting how bob's accusations have evolved over time. Now he accuses me of stalking him "in real life". On the thread you linked, he admits that the word "stalking" is open to interpretation, and he was specifically referring to the fact that I made a joke about how his wife had to lay back and think of england to conceive children with him. He admitted THAT post was the "stalking", as he was using the definition. Apparently in bob's mind making that joke now constitutes stalking "in real life".

It's quite bizarre.

Aside from his bizarre fixation on this one episode, it's also interesting that he has repeatedly ignored the fact that I recognized the joke went over the line and apologized for it on the very same thread. And, as I stated earlier, he's used this one example to prove bad behavior on my part for years, which I think indicates that, overall, I must behave fairly well. Otherwise he'd be able to find many, many examples of my egregious behavior in recent posts, instead of having to go back years for that one single bad joke.

I really do not imagine that my behavior is perfect or even stellar. I do lose my temper from time to time. Or if a poster has a long history of vulgar or nasty behavior, I will return tit for tat. There are many posters with better behavior than mine. But my behavior is nowhere near as egregious as someone like Pahoran, so I believe I have every right to criticize him for this astounding act of hypocrisy.
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whoops
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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