Gun shooting in Arizona

[_Calculus Crusader]

Possibly. I don't follow him too closely.

Then why say that? What source were you just repeating without verifying?

You don't have to follow someone to closely to know something about him. From LaRouche himself:

The subject is the implications of the difference between the British gold standard, and the gold reserve standard used effectively during approximately 1945-1965. I am committed to the reintroduction of the latter, as an integral part of a new, emergency world monetary-financial system modelled in large degree on the successful features of the 1945-1965 period of post-war reconstruction in the Americas, western Europe,and Japan.

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/lar_re ... pring.html

I suggest expanding your horizons beyond wikipedia (and Sam Harris' drivel.)

In my opinion, he was clearly just listing books that made him sound smart and learned. I believe that he probably read Animal Farm in high school.

Your opinion and a dime wouldn't get you a gumball from a gumball machine.

[_Calculus Crusader]

I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to counter the one-sided claptrap you cited[/b], which, by way of contrast, was disingenuous.

Like I said, you are being disingenuous by implying he was somehow influenced by the Communist Manifesto.

I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to underscore the point that Loughner does not have a consistent political ideology (certainly not a "right wing" one.)

There isn't a single example of Marxist terminology or ideals in any of his published rants, which, by way of contrast, are full of far-right wing parlance.

No, they are not "full of far-right wing parlance," you uneducated hack. They are full of conspiracy theories that transcend the right-left ideological divide.

Feel free to post the part of the article I quoted that is disingenuous so I can inform the author.

All of it.

[_Buffalo]

I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to underscore the point that Loughner does not have a consistent political ideology (certainly not a "right wing" one.)

My father has read the Communist Manifesto. I haven't. He's the conservative, I'm the liberal.

[_Calculus Crusader]

I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to underscore the point that Loughner does not have a consistent political ideology (certainly not a "right wing" one.)

My father has read the Communist Manifesto. I haven't. He's the conservative, I'm the liberal.

Would he list it as one of his favorite books? I've read chapters of Dawkins' ****ty book but I would not list it as one of my favorites.

[_Quasimodo]

David Richard Berkowitz, Son of Sam (look it up if you are interested). He killed people because the dog in his neighbor's back yard told him to. Now that he is on medication (and in prison for life), he is aware of the insanity of his actions and VERY remorseful. Really kind of sad.

I think that is what were seeing here. No politics.

[_Obiwan]

I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to underscore the point that Loughner does not have a consistent political ideology (certainly not a "right wing" one.)

My father has read the Communist Manifesto. I haven't. He's the conservative, I'm the liberal.

It's one thing to read something for "educational purposes", to help one become wise, and another to believe in said ideology. Loughner clearly not only had several leftist works but believed in and embrased most of them per other evidences and testimony's.

I'm not surprised that your father has read it and you haven't. Just proves that conservatives actually understand the ideology's and what's right and wrong about them, while most liberals don't.

The saying is really true, if your not liberal when your 20 you don't have a heart, but if your not a conservative by the time your 40 you don't have a brain. I was slightly liberal pre-20's, but learned more since then, and am fully and forever conservative. I remember writing an article against "Advertising", making the case how it was a waste of money etc. that could be used for other things. Now, while I do still believe some advertising is in fact a waste of money, such as with big company's still promoting Coke when it doesn't need to anymore or as much since Coke is such a part of society now, I now recognize that advertising is highly valuable in creating prosperity and quality of life for people, innovation, etc. I still believe in recycling, the environment, etc., but wisely, not a nut believing in Global Warming, etc.

A Conservative is simply someone who is both wise and has a heart.
Anyway, some thoughts.

[_Obiwan]

David Richard Berkowitz, Son of Sam (look it up if you are interested). He killed people because the dog in his neighbor's back yard told him to. Now that he is on medication (and in prison for life), he is aware of the insanity of his actions and VERY remorseful. Really kind of sad.

I think that is what were seeing here. No politics.

Conservatives would agree, that's why the attempted slam by liberals of trying to blaim this thing on conservatives was so offensive. But even further, our point is to show that if he WAS actually "anything", he was more leftist than he was conservative.

After all, that I can recall, every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist. From Lincoln, to JFK, to Reagan, and now some Democrats. Not all leftists are cohesive and of one mind either, sometimes they can be enemies with each other. But ideologically speaking, they are very close and related, believing many/most of the same kinds of things.

[_Quasimodo]

The saying is really true, if your not liberal when your 20 you don't have a heart, but if your not a conservative by the time your 40 you don't have a brain.
Anyway, some thoughts.

Your quote just caught my eye. When Winston Churchill said that, a conservative in England would have been considered quite liberal in this country now. Pretty much still the same.

[_Buffalo]

Would he list it as one of his favorite books? I've read chapters of Dawkins' ****ty book but I would not list it as one of my favorites.

Sure, if he were a pedant. Anyone who lists both The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as favorites is just looking to impress people with his political reading list.

If the reading list was Mein Kampf and something from Glenn Beck, you might conclude that he was right wing. Similarly, the Manifesto plus something from Noam Chomsky, you might conclude that he was left wing.

[_Buffalo]

I'm not surprised that your father has read it and you haven't. Just proves that conservatives actually understand the ideology's and what's right and wrong about them, while most liberals don't.

Sorry, most conservatives are anti-intellectual. My father is an exception. Most conservatives don't get much further than the cover to Sarah Palin's latest ghost-written masturbatory polemic.

The communist manifesto is not representative of my ideology, anyway. I'm a democratic socialist. :)