Did Obama write Dreams From My Father?

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I never said that.
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I never said it either..... Little ol Eric likes to "misrepresent".....

I said "basically/essentially all" were leftists..... really none conservative.
Eric tried to claim Booth was a conservative simply because he was for states-rights.
I tried to tell him that basically everything else about Booth was liberal, as well Lincoln was one of our most conservative presidents, thus, a conservative wouldn't kill a conservative.

Hinkley was really the only one that could be even close to being conservative which is why I said "basically or essentially", because his family was conservative, but even him clearly he wasn't politically leaning right or left but was simply crazy, and again, attempting to kill one of our most conservative presidents. Basically all the other assassins or attempted assassins in American history were liberal, again none conservative. Eric gave me no examples of conservative assassins save Hinkley and Booth, and I shot those clearly down. But, he keeps harping on this, as if "I'm" the idiot rather than he.

Anyway.....
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Obiwan wrote:I never said it either..... Little ol Eric likes to "misrepresent".....

I said "basically/essentially all" were leftists..... really none conservative.
Eric tried to claim Booth was a conservative simply because he was for states-rights.
I tried to tell him that basically everything else about Booth was liberal, as well Lincoln was one of our most conservative presidents, thus, a conservative wouldn't kill a conservative.

Hinkley was really the only one that could be even close to being conservative which is why I said "basically or essentially", because his family was conservative, but even him clearly he wasn't politically leaning right or left but was simply crazy, and again, attempting to kill one of our most conservative presidents. Basically all the other assassins or attempted assassins in American history were liberal, again none conservative. Eric gave me no examples of conservative assassins save Hinkley and Booth, and I shot those clearly down. But, he keeps harping on this, as if "I'm" the idiot rather than he.

Anyway.....


So, Hinkley couldn't be left or right because he was simply crazy, but leftists can be crazy enough to go after presidents, yet still sane enough to have a considered political viewpoint. Hmm, what are you saying about those on the left?

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Re: Did Obama write Dreams From My Father?

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Eric wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
The confrontation in the Fishbowl flowed like a swollen river into the teach-in, carrying me along the cascading waters from room to room, hall to hall, bouncing off boulders.

Fugitive days 56.

I heard all our voices begin to run together, the sound of three generations tumbling over each other like the currents of a slow-moving stream, my questions like rocks roiling the water, the breaks in memory separating the currents. . . .

Dreams 394


Richard,

Do you honestly think the above passages came from the same person? I really am having a hard time seeing what you apparently see in this comparison.
Hi Eric,

I agree with you that this one passage doesn't prove anything. More compelling are the nautical terms used in both books and some of the other similarities. As Jack Cashill wrote today
These include the 55 or so maritime allusions used by both Ayers and Obama; their shared "rage"; the matching Homeric structures of their respective memoirs; and their relentless postmodern talk of constructed realities, of narratives, of fictions, of interior struggles, of uncertain memories, of metaphorical journeys, of traps, of contradictions, of correctives, of rewritten personal histories. The pair also dabbled in advanced postmodern slang -- the "grooves" into which they have fallen, the "poses" they assume, and even the "stitched together" nature of their lives.

In their reading of my book, the Mail editors were struck by the focus on eyes and eyebrows both in Dreams and in Ayers's memoir Fugitive Days. Ayers, for instance, writes of "sparkling" eyes, "shining" eyes, "laughing" eyes, "twinkling" eyes, and people who are "wide-eyed" and "dark-eyed." As it happens, Obama also writes of "sparkling" eyes, "shining" eyes, "laughing" eyes, "twinkling" eyes, and uses the phrases "wide-eyed" and "dark-eyed."

Obama is the rare writer to fix on eyebrows -- heavy ones, bushy ones, wispy ones. There are seven references to "eyebrows" in Dreams. There are six references to eyebrows in Fugitive Days, an eyebrow-fixation that borders on fetish.

The editors asked me to explain computer-based literary forensics, and this I did too. As I noted, the most sophisticated study on this subject came from Chris Yavelow, a composer who hashelped pioneer what he calls "computational corpus linguistics." His 27-page report compared Dreams with Fugitive Days on any number of variables: attributions, characters per word, syllables per word, sentence length, structure, flow, paragraph length, readability, verb use, modifiers, contractions, redundancies, clichés, and more.

Every variable Yavelow tested -- save, tellingly, for dialogue -- argued for shared authorship. On the subject of clichés, for instance, Yavelow noted that out of more than 3,000 clichés, the two memoirs used less than 7 percent and had 62 percent of them in common. "And, not only in common," Yavelow wrote, "but often in anearly corresponding position on the distribution list."

Concluded Yavelow, "There is a strong possibility that the author of Fugitive Days ghost wrote Dreams From My Father using recordings of dialog (either tape recordings or notes). Alternatively, another scenario might be possible: Ayers might have served as a 'book doctor' for Obama and given extreme license to edit and rewrite."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/why_uks_daily_mail_got_cold_feet_on_dreams_fraud.html
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Droopy wrote:In any case, Lee Harvey Oswald, the perpetrator of the most notable presidential assassination in American history (save only for Lincoln) was a committed Castroite communist who's motive was to strike a blow for the socialist world by killing the open and unashamed cold warrior John F. Kennedy.



Droopy, I'm curious as to whether you might have met the cigarette smoking man at one of your conservative mixers and whether he mentioned anything about the view from the grassy knoll.
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