Why Are Leftists/Apostates Obsessed with Masturbation?

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Re: Why Are Leftists/Apostates Obsessed with Masturbation?

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I wonder how Droopy or BCspace would feel if the middle school principal took their daughters alone into a private room, closed the door, and started asking them if they masturbate. Or if they've ever had sex with animals.


Since I know of no incidences in the Church where this has happened, save in the bleating personal anecdotes of apostate bigots, the question is a bit moot.

Now take your oranges and put them back in your applecart.
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That didn't answer my question. I can see by the way you respond and also the way you treat others in regards to this subject that you harbor a lot of guilt and shame.




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Re: Why Are Leftists/Apostates Obsessed with Masturbation?

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Stern policies aimed at curbing innate human desires can provide the desirable impetus to allow the young begin to question for themselves ideas that seem arbitrary and unnatural.
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Droopy,

I'm only eleven years old and it's really making me scared that the bishop is talking to me about the way I touch my body -- even when I take a shower and afterward when I dry off. He told me that looking in the mirror and touching myself is wrong and that I would learn to like boys rather than desire girls.

My friends are laughing at me because I told them this. I'm going to my school counselor and tell him about how the bishop talks to me about sexual things. If the counselor can't help, then I'm calling 911.

If 911 won't help, I'm calling news channel 4 and ask for help!

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Droopy,

The Mormon church is going to be body slammed to the ground -- sued -- and made to appear as a whore before all the world. They will lose tax status and pay out fines by the millions. You'll see. And, the gays will picket their temples night and day until they allow gay marriage.

Are you going to try and stop that?

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Droopy wrote:
So, please explain how a teaching of no dating until 16, strict celibacy before marriage, and complete monogamy and sexual fidelity after marriage "damaged" you and others.


If the Church I grew up in had left it at that I would say fine. Problem is they did not. They equated sex sin being next to murder, used constant shame as a tool to enforce what you outline above, taught that repentance from such sin was incredibly difficult and long term and that one who committed sexual sin may will carry the shame of it into the future, taught that young person committing sexual sin should marry so as not to carry the sin into another relationship, taught that virtue was impossible to restore (this in spite of the atonement which is supposes to make us new creatures, taught that if you lost your virginity you were damaged goods, taught that a parent would prefer to see a child dead rather than see them lost their virtue and so on.

Now I totally expect you to dismiss this and pretend either such things were not taught or were aberration and/or not official. Those positions would be simply false. All the above was from GAs, books by GAs, some from conference talk, and LDS manuals.

Don't ask for a CFR because I am not going to waste my time posting the quotes for you since I have done so before. I simply assume you will dismiss them as you always do.

Like it or not the LDS Church obsesses over sexual misbehavior to the extreme and for those believing all the leaders said as I did (and as most TBMs do) it can cause emotional damage and issues.
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Droopy wrote:There is no reason to think that any particular Bishop would ever bring such a subject up to a pubescent girl. Only if she brought it up herself would it become an issue in which some discussion was necessary. I've had a number of interviews with Bishop's in my day, and this never came up at all. The only exception would be a Temple recommend interview, in which one is asked the broad question of whether one keeps the law of chastity.



The problem is Droopy, many bishops do and have asked more specific questions. You know this it true. Some don't, some do.
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Droopy,

I predict that the very image of the LDS temple will come to symbolize the LDS position on anti-masturbation and homophobia.

The world has only to figure that out. It's coming. LDS temples will be nothing more than the cultish symbols that reject modern science. People will drive by them and honk in anger! Mobs will gather about and protest. The Mormons will be made to appear as fools.

And, if you can tell me the name of the king that is written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3, I will delete all my posts and shut mouth. But if you can't tell me the name of the king -- well, then, it appears Joseph Smith lied.

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And hooray for ipse dixit. However, a subject's place "in LDS theology" does not make it objectively true, or make it even reasonable or plausible. "LDS theology" also holds that the human race began with two people in Missouri circa 6,000 B.C.E. "LDS theology" also holds that the entire planet was covered with water a few thousand years ago, and that all human and animal life that now exists descended from the refugees on Noah's ark. "LDS theology" also holds that the origin of different languages in the world is God confusing people's speech at the tower of Babel. "LDS theology" also held, for 148 of its 181 years of existence, that Negroes were inferior to every other race on Earth. And so on.


Sometimes even Madalyn Murray 'O Hair could be more intellectually sophisticated than this.

I never cease to be impressed by how you alternate between claiming to embrace legitimate scholarship and studies, but then reject it as agenda-driven and "leftist," depending on whether you perceive such things as supporting your value judgments.


I actually don't think that you even take most of your criticisms of me seriously. I think you do it because of a deep, seething hatred of the Church, the gospel, Jesus Christ, and anything that smacks of the slightest limitation on or cramping of the life and lifestyle you desire to lead.

I think that your god lies somewhere between Machiavelli, Nietzsche, and your own gut, and so it surprises me little that you find my philosophy so infuriating.

Despite your references to "pop psychology," the scientific view that masturbation is normal and healthy is real psychology.


Its a philosophical opinion and belief within the highly secularized, secular humanistic, and long ago politically cleansed body of allied disciplines and modalities encompassing the field of counseling psychology, which is not science in any normative sense but "social" science, i.e., a philosophy of human behavior overlaid with a coating of empirical scientific methodology.

Fascinating how drones like Darth who act like soldier ants end in the servile gulping down of the trendy certitudes of the "experts"...like himself, of course.

Darth didn't, of course, even stop to think about how "science" could come to any certain conclusions at all regarding the value judgements and related to masturation, as actual science has nothing to say about those.

I also noticed the implicit circular argument embedded in the following statement:

Although masturbation is harmless, guilt created by the disapproval and punitive attitudes of other people may cause considerable distress and impair sexual performance.


And Droopy, it really isn't a manifestation of an anti-Mormon or "leftist" agenda for normal people to find it extremely creepy for a middle-aged man to take a teenager into a closed office for a session of truth-or-dare.


Yes it is, because few normal human beings except highly ideological leftists would not have implicit trust in the typical middle aged bishop or state president that no such thoughts would ever cross his mind. Normal human beings to not class all middle aged males - there friends, neighbors, and co-workers - as potential sexual predators and child molesters by definition.

That, as anyone with a thimble of education or awareness in the social and political history of the late 20th century knows perfectly well is the province of academic and popular gender feminism and its debased forms in the popular news and media culture.

A fair try at appearing to know what your talking about, Darth, but you give away your game in every sentence.
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And, if you can tell me the name of the king that is written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3, I will delete all my posts and shut mouth. But if you can't tell me the name of the king -- well, then, it appears Joseph Smith lied.

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Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
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