Zimmerman Arrested

[_ajax18]

So a young black kid deserves to die for allegedly punching a grown man.

No he didn't deserve to die for it. But when fists start flying, it can be lethal, even without guns. It's funny because it takes me back to when I taught high school in Florida and a negro boy killed a hispanic boy by sucker punching him from behind. The brown died from his fall to the pavement. He never saw it coming. I bet you never heard that story. It wasn't reported much.

The Kansas eighth grader did nothing more than be white and walk home from school. You don't see the liberals taking up for him. It has nothing to do with whether these boys were arrested or what limited punishment they got if any. It's about what race the perpetrator is and what race the victim is. That's what determines if it makes mainstream news. That's what determines if there are marches, store lootings, spike lee giving out addresses, etc.

In this case the victim wasn't even completely innocent and the perpetrator wasn't even white like the news tried to portray them. Mainstream media are a bunch of liars. That's the take home from this whole story.

[_Bond James Bond]

Zimmerman claimed that what he did fell under the "Stand your ground" law. Based on what actually took place, what he did does not fall under that. ldsfaqs is claiming that Zimmerman was well within his rights to follow this boy, get into an altercation with him and shoot him dead. There is no law that I am aware of that allows that. Therefore, it was illegal.

Based on what I've read and seen reported, I believe the shooting was illegal and that Zimmerman should be tried for manslaughter. However, Zimmerman's failure to heed the police dispatcher, which he should have done, was not illegal in and of itself. That was the basis of my objection to your comment.

Manslaughter suggests "no intent". If he had a chance to avoid a confrontation, but actively pursued him for an extended period of time it might be argued there was some intent to get into an altercation. 2nd degree murder, where there is no advance planning, seems a better charge considering Zimmerman had numerous chances and time to turn away from an altercation.

[_Bond James Bond]

The Kansas eighth grader did nothing more than be white and walk home from school. You don't see the liberals taking up for him. It has nothing to do with whether these boys were arrested or what limited punishment they got if any. It's about what race the perpetrator is and what race the victim is. That's what determines if it makes mainstream news. That's what determines if there are marches, store lootings, spike lee giving out addresses, etc.

The same way Fox News carried on the Natalie Holloway story for years? Tell me they'd dedicate the same amount of time to a Latino girl kidnapped into sex slavery.

[_asbestosman]

Trayvon was clearly an immoral punk, as other evidence shows, and that he got exactly what he deserved.

Just so you know, this is the sickest thing I've ever seen on this board. Yep, even sicker than the misogyny. Sicker than blasphemy. And I mean sick in a bad way--as in total depravity. This is the most depraved thing I've read on this board.

Why? Because you are saying that a teenager (a child!) deserves death when that child has not committed a homicide. If Trayvon wasn't "an immoral punk", but just scared of Zimmerman would he still deserve to die? But wait, there's an objection coming up.

Scumbags don't have a right to beat on people simply because they don't like them looking at them. Hands are deadly weapons also. One blow can kill someone. Zimmerman had every right to defend himself.

True, but having the right to defend yourself does not mean that your attacker deserves to die. We don't send people to the chair for aggravated assault. We only do it for actual murder--and even then not in all states.

I agree that if Zimmerman was attacked he had the right to defend himself. However, don't you think Trayvon was also within his rights to try to defend himself from what he thought was a suspicious guy with a gun? How was he supposed to know Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch guy instead of some kidnapper or gang member? That's why this is a tragedy. Both may have started out with seemingly reasonable or good intentions and ended up with a needless death. Zimmerman may have been within his rights to confront Trayvon, but in hindsight it was a dumb move. He would have served the neighborhood better if he shot pictures from a safe distance instead of bullets up close. Sadly hindsight won't bring back the dead.

[_Buffalo]

ldsfaqs delights in murder and bloodshed. His master Satan has shown him the darkness, and ldsfaqs said, "It is good!"

[_ldsfaqs]

Manslaughter suggests "no intent". If he had a chance to avoid a confrontation, but actively pursued him for an extended period of time it might be argued there was some intent to get into an altercation. 2nd degree murder, where there is no advance planning, seems a better charge considering Zimmerman had numerous chances and time to turn away from an altercation.

1. Simple observing someone that looks suspicious, and then asking them a question is not "intent" to do harm moron. So no, it cannot be argued that there was intent to get into an altercation, other than in the minds of morons.

2. Zimmerman asked the question, and then was walking away and was cold cocked, knocked to the ground and beat upon, BOTH according to his statement AND a witness statement.

Zimmerman DID turn away, had no behavior indicating he was trying to get into a fight, etc.
Further, even if he just stood there. That doesn't give someone a right to beat on them you dumb freak!!!

[Guest]

abestosman..... YOu have no evidence that Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun. That's called lying assumption. And since that is what your argument is based on, your argument is nothing but false and a lie. Further, most people wouldn't attack someone that had a gun. Your entire argument is your liberal warped fantasy.

Further, you pervert my words. In context, I said that he's the one that did wrong, thus whatever the consequences are, he got what he deserved. People don't get to pick the consequences for their immoral actions. You beat on someone, you are either going to get beat back, someone else beat you, get shot if they are armed, or get away with it.

Trayvon played the odds, and lost. That's not Zimmermans fault, it's TRAYVON's scumbag!

[_Buffalo]

ldsfaqs, is there a reason that you so delight in the murder of black youths? Do you consider his spilt blood an offering unto your unholy masters, Gol-goroth, God of the Black Stone, and Hastur, The Unspeakable?

[_asbestosman]

I thought I was fairly even-handed.

I admit I don't know what Trayvon saw. I was speculating about what Trayvon might have seen or believed. I thought that was clear but perhaps I didn't. You think you know what really happened, but it's all hearsay at this point from any polarized side. I was trying to give each the benefit of the doubt.

So teenagers who fight adults deserve to die? Really? I call that sick.

I repeat:

having the right to defend yourself does not mean that your attacker deserves to die. We don't send people to the chair for aggravated assault. We only do it for actual murder--and even then not in all states.

Furthermore, we usually see a difference between adults and teenagers--although not so much for murder.

Would I attack someone who had a gun? I might if I thought he was going to use it if I didn't. Besides, even if most people wouldn't that doesn't mean Trayvon wouldn't.

But since you like to play the "most people wouldn't" game, I'll try: Most people wouldn't turn their back on someone they thought was suspicious (didn't you say he looked like a punk?) just to get "cold cocked, knocked to the ground and beat upon." Don't like that game? Neither do I.

[_ldsfaqs]

Bottom line, a witness saw what happened, and it verify's Zimmermans statement.
Further, the Police Report also verify's Zimmerman and the Witness's statements according to the evidence, bloody nose, gash on head, grass stains on back, etc.

If Zimmerman had his gun out, Trayvon would have been SHOT well before Zimmerman got so much of the hell beat out of him.

All your "speculation" is lovely, but irrelevant. Zimmerman was attacked, and then he defended himself. It's as simple as that.

All your other conspiracy theory's and fantasy's, pre-judgments, etc. are just that.