FBI Sexual Predator Profile on Joseph Smith?

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Re: FBI Sexual Predator Profile on Joseph Smith?

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:
Regardless of whether Joseph Smith had religious reasons to sleep with the young girls that he did, is irrelevant. By any reasonable person's standard he was engaging in predatory behavior. Saying that Joseph Smith wasn't a predator because he supposedly believed in his own lies could be applied to almost any predator. I doubt most predators are consciously thinking about becoming so, they are probably more concerned with getting what they want than they are about the people whose lives they leave shattered.

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I realize that this crown clings tenaciously to this as a fact. I denounce the notion in the strongest terms that Joseph Smith did not sleep with teenagers.

Come on guys. if Joseph was even slightly a sexual adventurer he could have laid thousands willing and thrilled. All you got is innuendo. You got nothing. The lack of evidence counts for nothing in these parts. If Joseph is the man slammed on these pages the Rocky Mountains would be nothing compared to the cascade of supporting facts. But you got nothing but evil surmising.
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Nightlion wrote:

Joseph was loved and adored by everyone in his family. Such is not the stuff of crazy.
What kid is trusted as much as Joseph was? Hello!


OJ Simpson's momma thought he was innocent, too.
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Tobin wrote:You need to open your mind to more prophets than that Nightlion. Martin Luther King, Jr and Gandhi were both excellent prophets and had a lot of remarkable things to say that is worth study.


Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi would have both kicked your butt for calling them prophets.
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Quasimodo wrote:
Tobin wrote:You need to open your mind to more prophets than that Nightlion. Martin Luther King, Jr and Gandhi were both excellent prophets and had a lot of remarkable things to say that is worth study.
Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi would have both kicked your butt for calling them prophets.
Agreed. That is exactly what makes them such good prophets. Although I can't see Gandhi resorting to violence like that.
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Tobin wrote:Agreed. That is exactly what makes them such good prophets. Although I can't see Gandhi resorting to violence like that.


I have a vision of a skinny, emaciated Ghandi, dressed in home spun cotton, giving you a good one with a sandled foot. His only act of violence.
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Quasimodo wrote:
Tobin wrote:Agreed. That is exactly what makes them such good prophets. Although I can't see Gandhi resorting to violence like that.
I have a vision of a skinny, emaciated Ghandi, dressed in home spun cotton, giving you a good one with a sandled foot. His only act of violence.
Are we talking about Gandhi or Shifu? For some reason I can just hear Po say, "You'll never be the Dragon Warrior, unless you lose 500 pounds and brush your teeth!" in Gandhi-ese.
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Nightlion wrote:
I did not expect a profile to understand Joseph but eliminate him from consideration. Of course.

As I see now see it Joseph was desperate about there not being a Zion. The people were not going to get it and he knew that Zion would have wait until we got to the other side of our modern age of Satan's lying wonders before the Lord gathers the scattered remnants when the Lord would bring forth his own Zion. What was needed was for the priesthood to continue up to that day in some fashion. Polygamy and the strong delusion (that's a big lie folks) of building your own Godhood Kingdom was called for to galvanized the Church to stand apart from the world long enough for faith to manifest near the transition stage. (today). I am that faith.

For Joseph told Brigham to precisely settle the saints in front of The Apocalrock for the Strange Act to play out in its time. I called forth the revelation of The Apocalrock in my desire to call forth Zion. It is the first act.

If you don't like it you can lump it. I have not finished calling forth Zion from its hiding place.
The third witness that the LDS Church is fallen in the dust of apostasy is the test of The Book of Abraham which is killing off the lingering faith of the LDS like a fungicide. Good riddance. Let them repudiate Zion all the more and go forward in faith to their reward. NOT!

So yeah. Everything that the Lord was doing the last couple of years of Joseph's life was setting up the lies, the strong delusion because the people did not love the truth, (ZIon) and had pleasure in unrighteousness, (the world).

For how can the Lord SEND them anything without a sender, Joseph the Prophet.
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10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


The world still thinks that this scripture is yet to be fulfilled. Fools and slow to believe.

Who got the truth right before the day of Christ was at hand? (now).....the Mormons.
What truth did they not love?.............Zion by the power of the real gospel.
What lie did they believe? .........that they were going to become Gods to their own dominions and that included polygamy, if not now anymore, well, eventually, eventually.
How did that lie damn them?......it kept them from getting the gospel of Zion because they were fixated beyond the mark but kept themselves apart from the world in their oddity.

Joseph was setting them up so that the gospel and the Church would not be absorbed back into the world and utterly lost after he was gone. And it would have if these strong measures had not been taken. It was never in Joseph's heart to live polygamy. He loathed the idea and was humiliated by it. I know his heart. But he had to finish his preparations to come off triumphant in the end. For the heirs of Zion will rise up and call Joseph blessed. The return of the City of Enoch will call Joseph blessed as will those who smite the earth and the rocks and ice flow down at their presence call Joseph blessed. For the faith to call forth Zion is found on earth because of what Joseph Smith did. Otherwise the earth is utterly wasted at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yeah, come Lord Jesus.

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Nightlion wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:His childhood experience with leg surgery is enough to explain a lot of mental problems. That was a terrible, terrible event.


Joseph was loved and adored by everyone in his family. Such is not the stuff of crazy.
What kid is trusted as much as Joseph was? Hello!


I have no idea what you mean by this reply. I am simply totally sympathetic with a child who suffered traumatic pain and surgery. No doubt he was loved by his family. I don't understand the reference to Joseph being trusted as a kid more than any other kid. Explain? And what it has to do with the price of rice in China?
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Nightlion wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
And since you are apparently the only one sufficiently advanced spiritually to be able to see all this, God and Joseph did all this just for you! Are you possibly getting off on a little power trip of your own?


It was never intended that I become the sole survivor.
From my first spiritual breath the welfare of everyone else has never left me.
Either I really got no damn charisma or people just don't want no stinking prophet.
It has taken 180 years to finally shake off the last one. lol


Oh, now, sure you've got charisma. We just don't want no stinking prophet.
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