Academia, leftists, hip hop

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Re: Academia, leftists, hip hop

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Tarski wrote:Conspiracy thinking at its best.
It is rather spooky.


As you clearly do not understand the difference between a conspiracy theory and many years of research, study, and publication by large numbers of knowledgeable intellectuals, academics, scholars, and journalists who have spent many years studying the matter, very little of what you say bears much more serious attention.

Can you possibly explain why you listen to Singer's opinions but not other active mainstream researchers in the prime of their career that go much further in detailing their science?


Since you refuse to be intellectually serious, appear not to have read on the issue much beyond RealClimate, DeSmogBlog, and and WWF fundraising literature, and have probably never read a single black and white page written by the eminent Dr. Singer, let alone a book, monograph, symposium paper, or op-ed, who, unlike you, is actually qualified academically to pronounce on this issue, has spent much of his life studying and critiquing it, and who has published extensively and travels around the world speaking before scientific, scholarly, and governmental bodies on the topic on an almost continual basis, where, one wonders, is your credibility?

Why, for example, is it that if I mention names and opinions of eminent scientists (currently active in the field), you poo poo it and accuse me of appealing to authority?


Why do you do that yourself, Tarski? Why have all the other DAGW cultists always done that?

Then you turn around and bring up poor old Dr. Singer lone wolf curmudgeon from another era.


He's one of tens of thousands of scientists who do not buy the snake oil (and, for the record, the entire phony "consensus" never even existed anyway, if by that you mean dangerous AGW, so let's come off the high horse, Tarski, and get a bit serious).

To match you I should just poo poo Singer and bring up his denial of the dangers of second hand smoke and so on.


The second-hand smoke hysteria was nothing but more of the standard state ideolotarian warmed-over junk science with policy implications, as anyone who has educated himself on that hokum knows perfectly well (and this is just the tip of a vast iceberg of junk science in the environmental movement and government regulatory apparatus going back a very long time. Entire scholarly and investigative journalistic books have been written on that, which, of course, you have never heard of).

So, while you can't stand the idea of listening to expert,


My entire perspective on the issue, scientifically speaking, has been derived from qualified - and distinguished - experts in the field. My philosophical views have been derived from other experts in that area, as well as my life-long experience, study, and reflection regarding the Left and the history of ideas in general, and the patterns underlying them.
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Fred Singer is infamous for a dizzying switch in positions where he went from arguments aimed at arguing global warming isn't occurring to arguing that significant, unstoppable global warming occurs every 1500 years for natural reasons and we are caught in that cycle. So, when deferring to him, it depends on which era of his arguments you trust. For someone like Droopy who parrots every climate skeptic argument under the sun, it's no trouble to liberally borrow from both versions. For people interested in intellectual consistency, it's more complicated than that.
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Droopy wrote:
My entire perspective on the issue, scientifically speaking, has been derived from qualified - and distinguished - experts in the field.


Appealing to authority?
(why the hand picked minority then?)



Look, you are clearly beyond hope.

Enjoy the darkness.
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Darth J wrote:
Tarski wrote:
Because he is a conservative and so is excused (conservatives being just right you see).


I have indeed noticed that there is no field of human endeavor in which Droopy is more knowledgeable than even people who are actually engaged in it. He truly must be a Renaissance man the likes of which has seldom been seen.


Well, he did assert that properly educated and intellectually perspicacious people would understand that intelligent design isn't creationism. Outside of providing a case to the contrary, I pointed out that Ron Numbers, a science historian generally considered the foremost expert on the history of creationist movements, updated his definitive work on the subject with the title The Creationists: From Scientific Creationism to Intelligent Design. The content of the book follows what the title suggests. Surely, the expert's expert on the subject qualifies as "properly educated." Droopy just ignored that and called my opinion "self-derived." He didn't acknowledge the point. Translating into Droopy, that probably means he felt enough shame to move on, which suggests a small glimmer of hope that he realized he might not be as knowledgeable as he thought on the topic.
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Tarski wrote:
Droopy wrote:
My entire perspective on the issue, scientifically speaking, has been derived from qualified - and distinguished - experts in the field.


Appealing to authority?
(why the hand picked minority then?)



Look, you are clearly beyond hope.

Enjoy the darkness.


That's a common phenomenon among ardent supporters of pseudoscience. On the one hand, a lot of ink is spent arguing against appealing to authority since the majority of authorities look low upon their view. On the other, there tends to be a trumping up of the credentials and expertise of the (typical) handful of degreed individuals leading their movement. The natural response to this is is that if you are going to defer to authorities, you can't arbitrarily defer to those who hold the fringe view.
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EAllusion wrote:That's a common phenomenon among ardent supporters of pseudoscience. On the one hand, a lot of ink is spent arguing against appealing to authority since the majority of authorities look low upon their view. On the other, there tends to be a trumping up of the credentials and expertise of the (typical) handful of degreed individuals leading their movement. The natural response to this is is that if you are going to defer to authorities, you can't arbitrarily defer to those who hold the fringe view.


Well put!
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Re: Academia, leftists, hip hop

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Tarski wrote:
EAllusion wrote:That's a common phenomenon among ardent supporters of pseudoscience. On the one hand, a lot of ink is spent arguing against appealing to authority since the majority of authorities look low upon their view. On the other, there tends to be a trumping up of the credentials and expertise of the (typical) handful of degreed individuals leading their movement. The natural response to this is is that if you are going to defer to authorities, you can't arbitrarily defer to those who hold the fringe view.


Well put!


But, but, but .....Galileo! :rolleyes:
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