Is the universe conscious?

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Re: Is the universe conscious?

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So. I think I know what's going on with you and I'm going to attempt to address it because it's something I've thought about quite a bit. Sometimes I post stuff that I believe, I outright admit is 'woo', but has a basis in scientific theory and fact. Basically, I admit I have some Star Trek fanfic theories about this or that helping me to theorize why this or that could possibly happen.

For example, I like to indulge in a personal theory of mine that explains deja vu. I call it t3mP0r4l H@rMonIx. Because I have a fair amount of experience using the and understanding the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks to my bit of time in Military Intelligence, I understand that radio signals having harmonic resonance.

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Don't take the image above literally, it's just for instructional purposes. The bottom line is if you transmit a signal in the above image at 7.83hz you get resonant 'bumps' at the other spikes you see (14, 21, 26, so on and so forth at degrading strength in both directions along the spectrum). So you can passively collect or jam radio signals by operating on other signal frequencies that correspond with one you want to target. It's pretty neat.

My 'temporal harmonics woo theory' postulates that nothing is truly material, that we're all fundamentally composed of forces and energy transference between forces that give us the illusion of materialism, but when you break us down to our fundamental 'stuffs' there's nothing really there. So, to get to my point, I think because we're energy and force we have temporal signals throughout the various dimensions and that occasionally our harmonics match up nicely and we see or do something that harmonizes our existential experiences and causes us to feel that sense of deja vu. For example, if you believe the 4th dimension exists then space AND time in toto exists and it wouldn't be unusual that a temporal harmonic from point 'A' over there syncs with point 'B' over there even though linearly they're separated, but temporally they're actually operating on the same resonant frequency.

So. If you're still with me I think this is what's going on with you:

I think you sense a lot of things that can't actually be described as of yet and you're attempting to paint a picture that makes sense with your brain given your cognition, education, and capacity to think abstractly.

For example, I'm not sure if you heard about Kaluza-Klein theory. When I was attempting to wrap my brain around the KKT basically is a component of the Unified Field Theory, a precursor, I believe, of string theory (it may set ST up as a possibility) which is a huge step toward the Grand Unified Theory, which admittedly I only have an interest in because I was married to a burgeoning theoretical physicist who had made it her life's mission to be the first person to produce a workable GUT.

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So, I think you intuitively are experiencing things and interactions, like the 5th dimension, or the 4th, or whatever but simply lack the 'pictures' I provided above to make it make sense to your particular brain. You intuitively know there is more to the universe than purposeless matter bouncing around, and so your brain is manufacturing, like my temporal harmonics woo, answers or theories that make sense to you. I think it's great you're thinking about this stuff, and as a result you generate interest in the science behind some of the really interesting theories out there at help us discover how reality possibly operates. I think about it, too.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So. I think I know what's going on with you and I'm going to attempt to address it because it's something I've thought about quite a bit. Sometimes I post stuff that I believe, I outright admit is 'woo', but has a basis in scientific theory and fact. Basically, I admit I have some Star Trek fanfic theories about this or that helping me to theorize why this or that could possibly happen.

For example, I like to indulge in a personal theory of mine that explains deja vu. I call it t3mP0r4l H@rMonIx. Because I have a fair amount of experience using the and understanding the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks to my bit of time in Military Intelligence, I understand that radio signals having harmonic resonance.

Image

Don't take the image above literally, it's just for instructional purposes. The bottom line is if you transmit a signal in the above image at 7.83hz you get resonant 'bumps' at the other spikes you see (14, 21, 26, so on and so forth at degrading strength in both directions along the spectrum). So you can passively collect or jam radio signals by operating on other signal frequencies that correspond with one you want to target. It's pretty neat.

My 'temporal harmonics woo theory' postulates that nothing is truly material, that we're all fundamentally composed of forces and energy transference between forces that give us the illusion of materialism, but when you break us down to our fundamental 'stuffs' there's nothing really there. So, to get to my point, I think because we're energy and force we have temporal signals throughout the various dimensions and that occasionally our harmonics match up nicely and we see or do something that harmonizes our existential experiences and causes us to feel that sense of deja vu. For example, if you believe the 4th dimension exists then space AND time in toto exists and it wouldn't be unusual that a temporal harmonic from point 'A' over there syncs with point 'B' over there even though linearly they're separated, but temporally they're actually operating on the same resonant frequency.

So. If you're still with me I think this is what's going on with you:

I think you sense a lot of things that can't actually be described as of yet and you're attempting to paint a picture that makes sense with your brain given your cognition, education, and capacity to think abstractly.

For example, I'm not sure if you heard about Kaluza-Klein theory. When I was attempting to wrap my brain around the KKT basically is a component of the Unified Field Theory, a precursor, I believe, of string theory (it may set ST up as a possibility) which is a huge step toward the Grand Unified Theory, which admittedly I only have an interest in because I was married to a burgeoning theoretical physicist who had made it her life's mission to be the first person to produce a workable GUT.

Image

So, I think you intuitively are experiencing things and interactions, like the 5th dimension, or the 4th, or whatever but simply lack the 'pictures' I provided above to make it make sense to your particular brain. You intuitively know there is more to the universe than purposeless matter bouncing around, and so your brain is manufacturing, like my temporal harmonics woo, answers or theories that make sense to you. I think it's great you're thinking about this stuff, and as a result you generate interest in the science behind some of the really interesting theories out there at help us discover how reality possibly operates. I think about it, too.

- Doc

Phillip K Dick's notion in VALIS is a way more entertaining and thought out version of your "woo" here. Its also quite interesting how Sonic Youth eluded to it in "schizophrenia" on the sister album.
Oddly enough, you may have been "inspired" because of this notion.
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Re: Is the universe conscious?

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Okay Tana, I think I see the problem, your wiki quote revealed it but your last post really shows it.

You're reading "mind first" in idealism as fulfilling the same roll as a first cause in cosmology. Am I right?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: You intuitively know there is more to the universe than purposeless matter bouncing around, and so your brain is manufacturing, like my temporal harmonics woo, answers or theories that make sense to you. I think it's great you're thinking about this stuff, and as a result you generate interest in the science behind some of the really interesting theories out there at help us discover how reality possibly operates. I think about it, too.

- Doc


You certainly have taken it further than I. Thanks for that post Cam!
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Gadianton wrote:Okay Tana, I think I see the problem, your wiki quote revealed it but your last post really shows it.

You're reading "mind first" in idealism as fulfilling the same roll as a first cause in cosmology. Am I right?


Not necessacarily. Similar as my response to Cam, I do not know what I am arguing for. What I am arguing against though is cause and effect mechanics explaining existence. It must be something other. Maybe there is a yet unknown branch of idealism that like DrW's 'ground state Q field', also has the equivalence of nothing.
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If a supernova explodes and there is no one around within a lightyear to witness it, can it still be counted as Buddha consciousness?
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tana wrote:Well, I know I shouldn't try to play on the same porch with some of you guys, DrW, Gad, EAllusion, Sym, Tarski. Who,d I miss? Chap, Lemmie, Maks.... I realize I may get shot for this but, In the words of Lt. Aldo Raine- Shot? Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.

In the interest of keeping the board fair and balanced, what with the recent spate of anti-Idealism threads, here's some pseudo-scientific babble for the rest of us.

Is the universe conscious?

"In 2006, German physicist Bernard Haisch, known both for his studies of active stars and his openness to unorthodox science, took Penrose’s idea a big step further. Haisch proposed that the quantum fields that permeate all of empty space (the so-called "quantum vacuum") produce and transmit consciousness, which then emerges in any sufficiently complex system with energy flowing through it. And not just a brain, but potentially any physical structure."

Curt


It's utterly brilliant.

The universe is expanding and growing at ever increasing rates. What is consciousness? Is it life force? Energy? Quantum physicists believe every single object is living - including rock, and what appears to be immovable objects.
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AmyJo wrote:Quantum physicists believe every single object is living - including rock


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moksha wrote:If a supernova explodes and there is no one around within a lightyear to witness it, can it still be counted as Buddha consciousness?


I do not know. But, this guy might. And, I found another champion for my 'fantasy testimony league' team.
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My feeling (too) is that there is only One Consciousness. And we will never, ever comprehend what It Is. That we seek for it constantly is explained by our own self awareness, which includes awareness that we are merely a point originating out of the One Consciousness: which wills that we have singular identity: at least here while "life" is our concept of personal existence. After the body and brain dies and dissipates back into the ooze, what happens to this singular consciousness that I intimately know as myself? Does it continue as an immortal ID? Or does it get relegated to the infinite personae that form something rather like a "collection"?

I go back to the dictum of imagining "God" with the largest concepts possible to answer that last bit: it is a smaller concept to say that my ID as a mortal forms an infinitely huge "collection" (as if "God" is the cosmic Role-Player, being each one of us). It is the larger concept to imagine my ID as immortal and continuously "questing" to know "God". That makes the relationship between "us" intimate and eternally growing as I learn. Eventually, I will arrive at a point where my thinking, feeling, awareness and everything else is "mature" enough to be a soulmate to "God". In never-ending spacetime, such a being must eventually become godlike himself. That squares with limited theology in Mormonism. But any theology is only a starting point. There is nothing finalizing about Mormon theology (views/definitions of life in "heaven").

The greater concept says that each individual mind is unique, destined to provide for "God" yet another satisfying soulmate relationship.

I can't come up with a greater concept than the soulmate relationship forming throughout eternity.
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