All religions are dangerous?

[Guest]

But when I read a post like this I really feel deep sympathy for Utah Mormons, and vow to study their culture more deeply in order to rid myself of the ignorant prejudices that prevent me seeing them as human beings with all the complexity, richness and sheer humanity that real people have, as opposed to cut-out pasteboard caricatures set up to be sneered at by the smug and condescending.

...you know your problem chap?
You have a soul!

...I think you may have wandered into the wrong thread... Your kind isn't welcome here :)

That's my own unique way of saying: "Well said"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2OeQvXe22Q


*I am JAKs returning optimism*

[_Ren]

JAK,

In relation to Moniker referencing 'culture' and you assuming 'Amish' culture.

...well - that's it. That's what you did. Moniker did not state that every time she said the word 'culture' in that post, she meant 'Amish' culture. So why would you possibly assume she would? Or that Moniker would have to state so to someone else - to stop them making such a silly assumption?

Especially in light of the term culture being understood to be international in nature. You should know, because you said so:
http://www.mormondiscussions.com/discus ... 221#127221

"Culture" is international with regard to the issue under discussioin (discussion - spelling corrected by Ren).

Given the thesis, it seemed self-evident that the thesis was international in scope.

I think she was continuing under the premise that the person reading the words would know not to make such a basic mistake.
Don't blame Moniker for your foul-ups. Don't ASSume. marg doesn't like it when people do that.

Thank you for admitting your clear error, that in no way assisted clear and effective communication.
Now move on.


*I am JAKs vacant stare*

[_marg]

But when I read a post like this I really feel deep sympathy for Utah Mormons, and vow to study their culture more deeply in order to rid myself of the ignorant prejudices that prevent me seeing them as human beings with all the complexity, richness and sheer humanity that real people have, as opposed to cut-out pasteboard caricatures set up to be sneered at by the smug and condescending.

So though your post may not have added a great deal to our understanding of Japan, its people and its culture, you will definitely have done some good today! Thanks!

If you don't know much about Utah Mormons it is doubtful you know much about the Japanese and so you are talking from a position of ignorance. If you have a disagreement and think the article is way off, then use that brain of yours and comment on the specifics. The article made a lot significant accurate points. It may not be pretty Chap, but it's reality. Not everyone prefers to live in a fantasy world of ignorance, though I get the sense that you do.

[_marg]

JAK,

In relation to Moniker referencing 'culture' and you assuming 'Amish' culture.

...well - that's it. That's what you did. Moniker did not state that every time she said the word 'culture' in that post, she meant 'Amish' culture. So why would you possibly assume she would? Or that Moniker would have to state so to someone else - to stop them making such a silly assumption?

You have it ass backwards RoP. It was Moniker who assumed JAK was referencing Japan when he said something to the effect "they are not living in the culture of the times. I could tell from JAK's discussion he was referring to Amish..it was Moniker who assumed he was talking about Japan.

[_Yoda]

I pasted my reply, looked above and saw your post. Hit refresh a few times then your edit appeared -- it probably just is a quirk in the system. It was just odd. But, it's happened to you before, you said? Sometimes it happens and sometimes not? That's weird!

No doubt it's just the board being screwy........ do do do do (twilight zone theme song).........

I believe that there is some type of timing system in place. Keene could probably answer more questions regarding this. I find that when I am editing my own posts, if I immediately go back into a post and edit something, it will not log the post as re-edited. That's why, at times, you will see comments by me saying "Edited to add--", but there isn't any actual time stamp at the bottom of the post saying "Edited by Liz at 3:30 PM".

This is a systems issue which has existed for as long as I have been on the board.

[Guest]

You have it ass backwards RoP.

Nope. I don't.

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... 334#129334

Again, in the entire post no mention of “Japanese.” The word "Japanese" does not exist in the post.

The word culture occurs and it is connected with the Amish.

...this is where JAK goes wrong. The word 'culture' was used, but at the point being discussed, that use of the word 'culture' had NOT been connected to the Amish.
JAK incorrectly assumed it had been (as the above quote demonstrates), because the Amish culture had been talked about earlier.

I know you don't realise that it is actually possible for JAK to be wrong, but it happened non-the-less.


*I am JAKs closed eyes and covered ears*

[Guest]

JAK,

In relation to Moniker referencing 'culture' and you assuming 'Amish' culture.

...well - that's it. That's what you did. Moniker did not state that every time she said the word 'culture' in that post, she meant 'Amish' culture. So why would you possibly assume she would? Or that Moniker would have to state so to someone else - to stop them making such a silly assumption?

You have it ass backwards RoP. It was Moniker who assumed JAK was referencing Japan when he said something to the effect "they are not living in the culture of the times. I could tell from JAK's discussion he was referring to Amish..it was Moniker who assumed he was talking about Japan.

I made a statement about a DIFFERENT culture (did not say WHAT culture) and related aspects of the culture. JAK made a reply that it was not the culture of our time. I THEN told him it was the Japanese culture. I didn't believe at any point he thought it was the Japanese culture. I told him it was after he replied.

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT HE THOUGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT JAPAN. Yet, it doesn't matter -- I related aspects of the culture and he STILL made his asinine remark. 'Cause to JAK it doesn't matter the "international" differences -- there is no concern for cultural customs or traditions -- no there is no current culture that should have lack of a/c and heat.

JAK said on the last page (GET THE DAMN QUOTE YOURSELF) that my word culture was connected with Amish -- NO IT WAS NOT!

I said a "DIFFERENT" culture ---------- He replied it was not the culture of our time. YET, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE JAPANESE CULTURE -- he ASSUMED I was talking about the Amish!

So......... whether he KNEW what culture I was talking about or NOT he STILL said the things I described was NOT the culture of our time. I THEN informed him with my next reply that IT WAS JAPAN -- and he responded and said something wishy about the bombings of WWII and something to the effect of Japan is now entering our age or something to that effect.

GO LOOK YOURSELF! JAK ALREADY SAID HE CONNECTED MY WORDS TO THE AMISH! HE assumed.

Deleted telestial material and ad homs to go to telestial.

[_Chap]

But when I read a post like this I really feel deep sympathy for Utah Mormons, and vow to study their culture more deeply in order to rid myself of the ignorant prejudices that prevent me seeing them as human beings with all the complexity, richness and sheer humanity that real people have, as opposed to cut-out pasteboard caricatures set up to be sneered at by the smug and condescending.

So though your post may not have added a great deal to our understanding of Japan, its people and its culture, you will definitely have done some good today! Thanks!

If you don't know much about Utah Mormons it is doubtful you know much about the Japanese and so you are talking from a position of ignorance.

I like that logic. Utah Mormons, their history and culture are so world renowned that anyone who does not know all about them can be expected to be completely ignorant about a much less numerous and much less historically significant people such as the Japanese ...

You don't do irony, do you? I meant that in view of the crude and ignorant stereotypes about the Japanese represented in your post, I felt moved to question my own occasional tendency to stereotype Utah Mormons (this is after all a board on which the beliefs and practices of Mormons, particularly Utah Mormons, often receive negative comments.) It was an indirect way of indicating my attitude to your post. I hope you get it now. I hope you are not a Utah Mormon, since if you are my good resolutions will take a hard knock.

If you have a disagreement and think the article is way off, then use that brain of yours and comment on the specifics. The article made a lot significant accurate points. It may not be pretty Chap, but it's reality. Not everyone prefers to live in a fantasy world of ignorance, though I get the sense that you do.

From the way you write, I suspect that you have little or no independent basis of study or experience of Japan that entitles you to assure us that the points made in your post (for which you must take responsibility, since you made the post) were 'accurate' and represented 'reality'. Do you?

In any case this is not a discussion board about Japan, so I need feel no obligation to commence your education in this regard. Back to the Mormons.

[_Yoda]

Moderator Note-

Folks, I split off the sexual references to the Telestial. Please keep your sniping in that area, and let's see if we can get back to Kevin's original OP here. Carry on.

[_marg]

Moderator Note-

Folks, I split off the sexual references to the Telestial. Please keep your sniping in that area, and let's see if we can get back to Kevin's original OP here. Carry on.

Well we knew how bored you were so we talked about it, and decided to spice things up.