The Trump Criminal Case MEGATHREAD.

[Some Schmo]

I imagine that there are a good number of Trump supporters who may think yes he appears to be guilty but its just a small technical overstep upsetting only bureaucrats which he made so I will just forgive and support him anyway. Besides, overstepping bureaucratic rules is likable.

I wonder how they explain away how practically every single person in Trump's inner business and political circles is a convicted felon. His closest friends.

Is he so stupid with doe-like innocence to not notice all the criminality going on around him? Or is it maybe more likely he's a thug too? Hmmmm... it's such a mystery.

He gets away with years of criminality, and now he's upset someone finally did something about it. I'm sure when he says it's unfair, he means it, the same way an unruly teenager thinks the world is unfair after stealing and getting caught. They haven't grown up yet. And anyone who hasn't noticed he's an incompetent infant are likely infantile and incompetent themselves.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Yet...Trump is your guy. Do you really think there's no other explanation for us other than we're brainwashed by Democrats?

Trump is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook.

This was never about Trump the individual. This is an attack on anyone who dares to challenge the political establishment. *lunatic ranting snipped*

[bill4long]

I would guess this can only help Trump win 2024. The Trump haters have made a big blunder.

(I'm not a Trumpist)

[Gadianton]

This was never about Trump the individual. This is an attack on anyone who dares to challenge the political establishment. It would be the same if it were any other America First Republican, be it J*D Vance, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz,

Since you brought up Ted, I should expand and attribute my quote:

...tell you what what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook. His response is to accuse everybody else of lying. He accuses everyone else on that debate stage of lying. And it's simply a mindless yell. Whatever he does he accuses everyone else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth but he combines it with being a narcissist.

If "America First" Ted Cruz himself publicly recognized the Trump playbook is to lie profusely and obviously, to cheat, but then to accuse everyone else of cheating, you don't think it's the least bit problematic that your victim narrative could so easily be part of the charade? You accuse others of cheating so that you can cheat and steal elections. You have no facts to support your claims of victimhood. It's on your say-so. Your monologue from Beck could have come from anyone of any political background. There are no details. You claim Trump's prosecution was rigged on your say so. You just repeat Trump-like commentary without any details or facts. I've watched maybe a dozen clips that include right-wing commentators on the trial, and they all talk big like you and Trump, declare it all rigged, but then break down when it comes down to explaining what the case is about, because they either don't know, or they don't want to say.

[Gadianton]

I would guess this can only help Trump win 2024. The Trump haters have made a big blunder.

(I'm not a Trumpist)

If they would have found evidence they were looking for to prosecute Joe Biden on Hunter's laptop, would that have evened the score, ensuring that Joe Biden would win 2024?

[Moksha]

I would guess this can only help Trump win 2024. The Trump haters have made a big blunder.

(I'm not a Trumpist)

You are going by the assumption that America loves criminal authoritarians. There is evidence to show you are right. Even now Republicans in New York are lining up bills to allow inmates at Rikers Island to wear overly long red ties with their orange jumpsuits.

[Some Schmo]

I would guess this can only help Trump win 2024. The Trump haters have made a big blunder.

(I'm not a Trumpist)

I'm always amused by people making the same idiotic arguments MAGAtes make and then deny being a MAGAte.

[bill4long]

I would guess this can only help Trump win 2024. The Trump haters have made a big blunder.

(I'm not a Trumpist)

I'm always amused by people making the same idiotic arguments MAGAtes make and then deny being a MAGAte.

Hmm, what I said was a prediction, not an argument.

[Xenophon]

I don't believe conviction ultimately helps Trump at all but in that same vein I'm not certain it hurts him all that much either.

I've seen a few polls out there suggesting that some 25% of likely voters would "reconsider" their votes following a conviction. I've also seen plenty of folks pointing to that data a little too triumphantly. When we look at polling where the question is asked a little more directly of self-identified Trump voters: "Trump is on trial in New York on felony charges that he falsified business records to pay hush money before the 2016 election to a pornographic actress who says they had a sexual encounter. Trump denies wrongdoing. What would you do if Trump is convicted in this case?"

Only 4% responded with "no longer support him", while an additional 16% said "reconsider supporting him" (Source p.15, PDF Warning).

Don't get me wrong, 4% may be more than enough in what is likely going to be a very tight contest but it isn't as a dramatic shift as I've seen suggested by some. Especially considering how far out we are from the actual election, and historical behaviors of his supporters (Access Hollywood tapes anyone?). At this points his supporters seem so thoroughly entrenched that I'm left to believe he could actually shoot someone in broad daylight and not dip too far because of it.

[Doctor Steuss]

If someone with the power of a former President of the United States, and the means of a billionaire can be railroaded by a lowly state DA, and can’t get a fair trial even when one of the jurors gets the majority of their “news” from the social media company that the defendant owns. . . then we might as well empty all of the prisons. There is no such thing as law and order. Let all of the Republican murderers and pedophiles free, because how can we possibly believe they received a fair trial?

What a terrifying world it must be when you're MAGA. Truly terrifying.