Response to Dan Peterson

[_dartagnan]

That's the plan. Will probably get to work on that as soon as I get back home.

[_Brackite]

Hello There,

Do you guys think that the 'Chief' Apologist Daniel C. Peterson is ever going to try to respond to the Message I Posted on the CTR Forum, in response to his pretty recent interview about the Book of Abraham? I think that Daniel C. Peterson needs to educate himself more with regards to the translation of the Book of Abraham, since he is after all the 'Chief' LDS Apologist.

[_Mister Scratch]

If I may say so, I have been blown away by all of this. Does our dear Prof. P. not remember his recent threat to "sue" myself and Rollo Tomasi, for issuing reports on his gossipmongering about Mike Quinn??? Is this not yet another instance of what appears to be a very deep character flaw in our most favorite BYU Prof??? Let's face facts here: this is a deeply dishonest individual who strung along people for months at ZLMB, apparently thinking it was "funny." His whole behavior on this issue strikes me as being very, very sick indeed.

[_Paul Osborne]

If I may say so, I have been blown away by all of this. Does our dear Prof. P. not remember his recent threat to "sue" myself and Rollo Tomasi, for issuing reports on his gossipmongering about Mike Quinn??? Is this not yet another instance of what appears to be a very deep character flaw in our most favorite BYU Prof??? Let's face facts here: this is a deeply dishonest individual who strung along people for months at ZLMB, apparently thinking it was "funny." His whole behavior on this issue strikes me as being very, very sick indeed.

Brother Peterson has character problems for sure. I once had a conversation with him on the FAIR board and he accused me of trying to demonize him. I tell you that man is lifted up in pride and I don’t think he has a clue that academia is the avenue wherein Satan has penetrated the Church in effort to destroy it through pride. Yes, Peterson (a school teacher) is lifted up in pride and he will act the role in which he has bound himself. I'm afraid that FARMS has become a cancer in the Church and may need to be cut out. Look, if God wants to cut it out, he will - we will see.

Anyway, I couldn’t stand in a prayer circle with him in the temple. Now, with that all said, let me just say, I have my problems too – but they aren’t pride.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

So what do people think of Will Schryver's warning to CalKid? How do you read that? It seems pretty damn obvious to me that Will was delivering a message from Gee in that statement. Yet Momus warned Calmoriah away from such "wild speculation". LOL What a world.

The comment by Schryver is stronger and more to the poin than what I recalled in the original email. Again, it was just a subtle remark to the effect that if he thought it was worth it he would consider legal action. But the comment from Schryver is a doozy because it implicates not only Gee but also William. Clearly we have two upper level apologists condoning legal action. And I think it is hilarious that anyone would try to insinuate that Gee wasn't the person who "requested" that Will inform us. Who the hell else could it have been, Will's wife? One of his circle jerk buddies?

The idea of Gee taking legal action over silly message board arguments is just stupid. In fact, the idea of taking legal action is not Christian! What would Gee expect to accomplish? I tell you now it would only make things worse for him, much worse.

Many scholars of academia are lifted up in pride. Do I think Gee is one of those? Yes, I do. So, let him sue me.

Paul O

[_dartagnan]

I think this is the response you were looking for scratch

[_guy sajer]

I posted this on that thread before I saw this part of the discussion on MD.

Maklelan did start a thread titled "Another Lawsuit is Threatened" but I don't believe there was ever a first one. Right after Gee's test appeared there was a lot of sqwaking on this board (from the defenders) about libel and slander from CaliforniaKid. On Mormondiscussions some of us joked that CaliforniaKid might get a process server on his doorstep if he gave out his address, but nobody said Gee had threatened to sue. I haven't found any quotes from Gee's test that preserved this threat -- maybe those were edited too. And perhaps the least valuable piece of evidence against this is my memory; I don't remember seeing that threat in Gee's silly test. I don't think it happened.

also

Kevin just isn't remembering correctly. I do remember talking about the possibility, and seeing people talk about the possibility. It would be easy to make the mistake unless you went back and looked at how the possibility first came up indiscussion.

That's what I think. Am I wrong, Kevin?

Maklelan, whatever did happen to him?

Is he still worshipping at DCP's feet?

Is he still trying to develop a system of morals that justifies mass murder in the Old Testament?

Enquiring minds want to know.

It seems that all the believers who come here do not stay for long. Why is that? Do we run them off? Are we too mean?

I'd like more to come. As much as I think Charity's a chowder head, I do admire her persistence and willingness to take us on. In a funny kind of way, I think that takes a good amount of courage.

It does get boring preaching to the choir.

[_beastie]

Yes, some posters here can be mean, but I don't think that is the main reason many believers don't stay here long because, obviously, they can also be mean. My experience on Z and the exodus to FAIR/MAD taught me that believers prefer a biased moderation on a board where believers and nonbelievers interact.

They have their own explanations for why that is so, but I think it's obvious that they need the handicap (using the word in the manner it's used in sports terminology, a way of trying to equalize the playing field between experienced players and novices).
I'm not saying that critics are more experienced than believers - I'm saying that believers have a greater challenge to overcome in the fact that they're attempting to defend things that are pretty beyond rational defense.

[_Mister Scratch]

I think this is the response you were looking for scratch

Ah, okay. Thanks for bumping this. I hadn't noticed this weird complaints about losing his kids' inheritances, etc. I does remind me of how he sought legal counsel in the hopes of suing me and Rollo, though.

[_Trevor]

I'm afraid that FARMS has become a cancer in the Church and may need to be cut out.

As a believer I came to the same conclusion.