Hinckley Testifies of Mormons Worshiping J Smith

[_harmony]

I am simply an educated Latter-day Saint.

Wait a minute... back up the bus.

I thought you said you were an expert on Joseph Smith? Now you're saying you're simply an educated Latter-day Saint?

Why reverse yourself?

[_Simon Belmont]

I am simply an educated Latter-day Saint.

Wait a minute... back up the bus.

I thought you said you were an expert on Joseph Smith? Now you're saying you're simply an educated Latter-day Saint?

Why reverse yourself?

Are you really asking this?

I am a Joseph Smith expert. That means I am educated about Joseph Smith. I am also educated about many other things. I am also a Latter-day saint.

I am an educated Latter-day saint.

[_harmony]

I am a Joseph Smith expert. That means I am educated about Joseph Smith. I am also educated about many other things. I am also a Latter-day saint.

I am an educated Latter-day saint.

You look kinda lonely up there your self-made pedestal...

[_Kishkumen]

Then by the same token, the LDS Church should stop complaining when people say that Mormons are not Christians. It does not matter what mainstream traditional Christians know or do not know about LDS Christology. They believe that true Christians do not include members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Likewise, it does not matter if the LDS Church claims to be "real Christians" and says something to the effect of: "We believe in Jesus so we are true Christians." For the LDS Church, their particular form of Christology makes them Christian. For a great many mainstream traditional Christians, it does not.

In terms of its theology, or what passes as its theology, Mormonism would have to be considered a heresy by those churches that profess the creeds. So, in technical terms, Mormons hardly have an argument. It used to be that I simply could not understand how a mainstream Christian could be so unchristian as to deny Mormons that name. Well, historically speaking, it is a no-brainer.

At the same time, Mormons do profess to follow Christ and his teachings. I would not consider what they believe to be traditional Christianity by any means, but I am not sure why that should be so important anyway.

[_Eric]

Rev. Kishkumen for the win.

I don't get it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=for+the+win

[_Simon Belmont]

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I do not understand what the point of saying it was. What exactly is your argument?

[_Darth J]

Your intractable and consistent double standard is the point.

It's okay, Simon. Had I been here about a year and a half ago, my posts may have looked a lot like yours.

My double standard?

I know you are a N.O.M. -- you attend church, raise your children in it, but do not believe its teachings.

And again, what is it with you and the Dark Side?

What it is is that I prefer "Darth Sidious Mormon" over "NOM."

I do believe in many of the standards the Church teaches. However, unlike the Church and its defenders, I believe that the Church should be held to its own standards.

[_Darth J]

Then by the same token, the LDS Church should stop complaining when people say that Mormons are not Christians. It does not matter what mainstream traditional Christians know or do not know about LDS Christology. They believe that true Christians do not include members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Likewise, it does not matter if the LDS Church claims to be "real Christians" and says something to the effect of: "We believe in Jesus so we are true Christians." For the LDS Church, their particular form of Christology makes them Christian. For a great many mainstream traditional Christians, it does not.

In terms of its theology, or what passes as its theology, Mormonism would have to be considered a heresy by those churches that profess the creeds. So, in technical terms, Mormons hardly have an argument. It used to be that I simply could not understand how a mainstream Christian could be so unchristian as to deny Mormons that name. Well, historically speaking, it is a no-brainer.

At the same time, Mormons do profess to follow Christ and his teachings. I would not consider what they believe to be traditional Christianity by any means, but I am not sure why that should be so important anyway.

Thus, the LDS Church is in no position to claim that the FLDS Church or any other branch of the Mormon movement are not "Mormons."

[_Eric]

I do not understand what the point of saying it was.

Not a fan of Hollywood Squares?

Wonderful demonstration, professor Belmont. A real Mopologist could have done no better.

Observe that, even though the discussion has wandered far from the OP, and the professor apparently had no problem with that, he has now accused his interlocutor and is policing the thread as though the OP were his and he wanted to keep it on track, when in reality he is merely trying to shape the thread according to his own preferences.

Fantastic work, professor. The more you model Mopologetic behavior for us, the more we benefit from your research.

X.

I am not an apologist, and I am not a "mopologist"; I am not in training to become either. I am simply an educated Latter-day Saint.

Whoa, professor! Slow down. Too many lessons without any signposts is disorienting.

Again, brilliant. We would expect nothing less from one of our colleagues at Cassius, but remember that the student body is not always capable of following the quick movements of your mind from lesson to lesson.

For the benefit of those that did not follow Dr. Belmont's thought processes here, he is now demonstrating that an educated LDS person is capable of acting like an apologist, sometimes behaving like a Mopologist, but may then seek refuge in the denial that he or she is anything other than a concerned and informed member of the LDS faith.

Bravissimo, professore!

XX.

And Rev. Kishkumen for the win...

Interesting theory, professor. I suppose that Lacanian apologetic theorists would be inclined to agree with you. I was never partial to Lacan, but that should not restrain you, of course.

I appreciate that you return my politeness with politeness. Would that this were ever the case among academic colleagues.

[_Kishkumen]

Thus, the LDS Church is in no position to claim that the FLDS Church or any other branch of the Mormon movement are not "Mormons."

That would be correct, Darth, and the attempt to corner the market on the name Mormon, while denying it when it isn't convenient, is an excellent example of slithery Mopologetic behavior.