Re: Defenders of the Faith on MDB who have the best arguments

[_Themis]

The Nehor tends not to back up anything. Here he is on this thread, claiming to have posted "substance" at some point during his career on this board, and yet if you ask him to supply a single link to an old thread where he's done this, he won't do it. (Maybe Liz can do it for him? It was Liz, after all, who tried to engage him on the issue of one of BY's plural wives, and Nehor bailed out after Liz made mincemeat out of his sloppy reading comprehension and his tendentious and misogynist analysis. I mean, she absolutely demolished him. Perhaps he's still angry about that? About getting pwned by a woman?) For me, the "last straw" with Nehor was the post where he said that he'd be glad to "sacrifice" two airplanes a year just so he wouldn't be inconvenienced and forced to wait in longer lines due to increased security. He said this back in 2007 or thereabouts, so his idiocy and lack of substance extends at least as far back as that.

I mean, seriously: who says stuff like that?

My experience is that members who are trying to defend the church do so for a while but after so many times being shown how bad most of the apologetic arguments are they tend to stop and either leave, change beliefs or as Nehor, Bpspace and SB do just do shallow posts meant for either attacking others or entertainment. Entertainment I don't mind. Stem is in the beginning stages of this, so it should be interesting to see what happens. :)

[_Simon Belmont]

My experience is that members who are trying to defend the church do so for a while but after so many times being shown how bad most of the apologetic arguments are ...

You're absolutely wrong.

After so many times of being bombarded with idiot posters like "Joseph," who posts things like "Joe the coxman," "moronic priesthood," "tubby tommy and the terrible twelve," and "murderous Mormons," we see that there is no getting through to the dimwits of the board. The more intelligent posters rarely post on any issues and instead comment on something made up, like "Mopologetics." So what's the point?

If the church were not able to be defended, it would have long since disappeared.

[_The Nehor]

The Nehor tends not to back up anything. Here he is on this thread, claiming to have posted "substance" at some point during his career on this board, and yet if you ask him to supply a single link to an old thread where he's done this, he won't do it.

I find running searches for threads from years ago pointless. You obviously disagree.

(Maybe Liz can do it for him? It was Liz, after all, who tried to engage him on the issue of one of BY's plural wives, and Nehor bailed out after Liz made mincemeat out of his sloppy reading comprehension and his tendentious and misogynist analysis. I mean, she absolutely demolished him. Perhaps he's still angry about that? About getting pwned by a woman?)

There were no bad feelings over this at all. Nor do I accept that I was "pwned". If my last session in the Goddess Suite is any indication there are no hard feelings.

For me, the "last straw" with Nehor was the post where he said that he'd be glad to "sacrifice" two airplanes a year just so he wouldn't be inconvenienced and forced to wait in longer lines due to increased security. He said this back in 2007 or thereabouts, so his idiocy and lack of substance extends at least as far back as that.

I stand by that. The post-9/11 security checks cost more man-hours then they save. Plus they are largely pointless. If we lose a plane or two in order to have easier air travel I am fine with that. For the same reason I would not be okay with lowering the speed-limit everywhere to 5 mph to make sure no one ever dies in a car accident again.

By your logic we shouldn't "sacrifice" all those people in auto accidents just for our convenience.

I mean, seriously: who says stuff like that?

Me.

But more seriously, who keeps collections of old posts from years ago in order to irrelevantly insert them to derail threads at seemingly random times?

A lunatic. That's who.

[_Doctor Scratch]

The Nehor tends not to back up anything. Here he is on this thread, claiming to have posted "substance" at some point during his career on this board, and yet if you ask him to supply a single link to an old thread where he's done this, he won't do it.

I find running searches for threads from years ago pointless. You obviously disagree.

Translation: you won't back up your claims.

(Maybe Liz can do it for him? It was Liz, after all, who tried to engage him on the issue of one of BY's plural wives, and Nehor bailed out after Liz made mincemeat out of his sloppy reading comprehension and his tendentious and misogynist analysis. I mean, she absolutely demolished him. Perhaps he's still angry about that? About getting pwned by a woman?)

There were no bad feelings over this at all. Nor do I accept that I was "pwned".

You bailed out of the thread, Nehor. If you have a real argument, go back down and bump up the thread and make your case. Liz had the last word, and she blew your (quite sexist) analysis to smithereens.

For me, the "last straw" with Nehor was the post where he said that he'd be glad to "sacrifice" two airplanes a year just so he wouldn't be inconvenienced and forced to wait in longer lines due to increased security. He said this back in 2007 or thereabouts, so his idiocy and lack of substance extends at least as far back as that.

I stand by that. The post-9/11 security checks cost more man-hours then they save. Plus they are largely pointless. If we lose a plane or two in order to have easier air travel I am fine with that. For the same reason I would not be okay with lowering the speed-limit everywhere to 5 mph to make sure no one ever dies in a car accident again.

There's just nothing redeemable about what you're saying here. It's immature, selfish, dumb, and stupefyingly insensitive.

I mean, seriously: who says stuff like that?

Me.

But more seriously, who keeps collections of old posts from years ago in order to irrelevantly insert them to derail threads at seemingly random times?

It's not "irrelevant" at all, Nehor. The thread is about "defenders" who make the "best" argument. I showed (a) that you're unwilling to supply any evidence at all re: your "substance" argument, and (b) what kinds of off-the-wall, psychotic arguments you *do* apparently consider "substantive." You try to be substantive, I guess, but the results of that are usually a colossal embarassment---e.g., your misogynist argument about rape victims "deserving" a portion of the blame. Heck, on another recent thread you were making some asinine, racist argument about how interracial couples should be warned away from getting married.

Then again, Nehor: maybe I'm wrong, eh? Maybe at last you'll quit being a weenie and you'll go dig up a thread that demonstrates this alleged "substance" on your part.

[_Themis]

You're absolutely wrong.

Not likely.

After so many times of being bombarded with idiot posters like "Joseph," who posts things like "Joe the coxman," "moronic priesthood," "tubby tommy and the terrible twelve," and "murderous Mormons," we see that there is no getting through to the dimwits of the board.

You are as dimwitted as him because you want to stalk a poster best ignored. His threads would die a fast death except that SB must make sure they stay alive for everyone to see.

The more intelligent posters rarely post on any issues and instead comment on something made up, like "Mopologetics." So what's the point?

I notice you always go to those types of threads like a moth to the flame. I hardly ever see you post in any of the intelligent threads. Try posting some substance instead of your usual crap about Joseph this and Joseph that.

If the church were not able to be defended, it would have long since disappeared.

Just like Scientology. Beliefs can have lots of evidence against and still have a good following and even smart people who try to defend them. I still see many smart people defending a young earth and global flood.

[_Simon Belmont]

You are as dimwitted as him because you want to stalk a poster best ignored. His threads would die a fast death except that SB must make sure they stay alive for everyone to see.

No. I tried the ignore tactic for a couple of months. Others encouraged him and kept his stupid threads alive. I cannot standby while this idiot says things like that. I simply cannot.

I notice you always go to those types of threads like a moth to the flame. I hardly ever see you post in any of the intelligent threads. Try posting some substance instead of your usual crap about Joseph this and Joseph that.

Next time an intelligent thread appears, perhaps I will... but it might be a long wait.

Just like Scientology. Beliefs can have lots of evidence against and still have a good following and even smart people who try to defend them. I still see many smart people defending a young earth and global flood.

All of those things have logical defenses for them. Mormonism does, too. But for me, personally, Mormonism is true because of personal evidence.

[_Simon Belmont]

Maybe at last you'll quit being a weenie

Hey Nehor, it looks like you're getting under Scratch's skin once again. LOL!

Maybe Scratch will make bedsheets and pillowcases with your photo on them!

[_Themis]

No. I tried the ignore tactic for a couple of months. Others encouraged him and kept his stupid threads alive. I cannot standby while this idiot says things like that. I simply cannot.

Then you are the bigger idiot then him. I am not sure why you choose him when it would be more then a full time job to stalk all the idiots on either side of these issues.

Next time an intelligent thread appears, perhaps I will... but it might be a long wait.

There have been several recently.

All of those things have logical defenses for them. Mormonism does, too. But for me, personally, Mormonism is true because of personal evidence.

Yes the same personal evidence people use to come up with conflicting universal truth claims. by the way a young earth and Global flood have no logical defenses for them, and neither do many regarding LDS truth claims like the Book of Abraham.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Maybe at last you'll quit being a weenie

Hey Nehor, it looks like you're getting under Scratch's skin once again. LOL!

Maybe Scratch will make bedsheets and pillowcases with your photo on them!

Maybe you can give us a link to Nehor's "substantive" threads, Simon? (by the way: were you not at work yesterday?)

[_Simon Belmont]

Maybe you can give us a link to Nehor's "substantive" threads, Simon?

Maybe you can give us a link to yours? You know, the ones where you talk about actual issues instead of character assassinations?

(by the way: were you not at work yesterday?)

I was. Why do you ask?