Who Here Supports and Defends Pornography as Legitimate?

[_Droopy]

It doesn't support many people's views on sexuality. It does support my general overall perception of Kevin Graham, however. That is, its a manual that delineates various forms of psychopathology.

[_Droopy]

Well, that's what I say. Droopy doesn't seem to want to share. He considers fully clothed kissing couples to be porn.

Actually, what I considered pornographic about what you posted (in the forum that I am referencing) was not the clothed or unclothed nature of the photos (and some of them were unclothed, Justme) but the context and intent of the photos.

Pornography is a very broad thing, Droopy.

So is morality qua morality. Just ask Nietzsche.

[_Droopy]

Loran,

I hope my previous post to Scottie sufficiently answers your OP question. I did want to say that I think there is a difference between "erotica" and "porn". But still, I don't see a reason for erotica either.

I think I get the gist of your meaning here, although I can't be certain. It's something I'll have to think further about.

[_Droopy]

You know what throws a wrench in this? There are people who are sexually aroused by dirty tube socks.

Would you described that as a sexual fetish, or as a sexual orientation?

[_just me]

You know what throws a wrench in this? There are people who are sexually aroused by dirty tube socks.

Would you described that as a sexual fetish, or as a sexual orientation?

I'm pretty sure it's a fetish. Amiright?

[_Droopy]

Allow the expert to respond:

Porn became popular in the early 1980's as a response to AIDS. In fact, it was recommended for gay men in particular. And the heteros followed. The logic was simple: safer to watch porn than to have actual sex. AIDS was in the early stages of knowledge. No one actually knew what it was back in 1982.

So, porn took off and went directly into the home with the vcr which was mass marketed just 4 years earlier. Without the HIV virus it is uncertain if porn would have been successful as it was. My take is simple: with the advent of HIV and genital herpes plus with the rampant rise of stds, porn can be a safe way to experience visual sex. However, if one is married, best to stay away from it. And if one is single, and if one wishes to view porn, best to stay away from the more exploitive type of porn and watch porn which shows sex in a natural way and setting among people who treat each other well and with respect during the act.

But this porn is hard to find and come by. But there is a man/woman team that do make such films. But they are an exception and not the rule.[/quote]

Part of this may be correct, as far as the homosexual subculture is concerned, but pornography began its meteoric rise, not in the 80s, but in the early 70s with the Italian mob associated Peraino brother's production of Deep Throat. That single film, and other key films that came immediately after, fueled the rapid mainstreaming of hardcore and softcore pornography within American culture. The VCR metastasized its popularity by taking it off the streets and the seedy movie houses and bringing it discreetly into the home.

[_Jersey Girl]

Loran,

I hope my previous post to Scottie sufficiently answers your OP question. I did want to say that I think there is a difference between "erotica" and "porn". But still, I don't see a reason for erotica either.

I think I get the gist of your meaning here, although I can't be certain. It's something I'll have to think further about.

Well by all means don't ask a question so you can be certain. Maybe while you're thinking about it further, you could try to read my mind, too.

:-)

[_Droopy]

Well by all means don't ask a question so you can be certain. Maybe while you're thinking about it further, you could try to read my mind, too.

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[_Fiannan]

Part of this may be correct, as far as the homosexual subculture is concerned, but pornography began its meteoric rise, not in the 80s, but in the early 70s with the Italian mob associated Peraino brother's production of Deep Throat. That single film, and other key films that came immediately after, fueled the rapid mainstreaming of hardcore and softcore pornography within American culture. The VCR metastasized its popularity by taking it off the streets and the seedy movie houses and bringing it discreetly into the home.

Actually true that movies like Deep Throat mainstreamed pornography a bit, but what really revolutionized it was the VCR. People no longer had to go to a "red light" sort of area of town and view porn -- they could rent it at the local family video store (the only embarassment involving running into the little room marked "adults only"). The DVD made it better quality as well. Of course the internet made it even more easy to access porn -- and is what has caused its increase in consumption with women and teens. While many religious leaders are still living in the era of their sexual prime (1940s and 1950s) when "good girls" tolerated sex, not demanding it, they have no clue that their grand-daughters are doing exactly what their grand-sons are doing -- looking up porn. And while it may be true that a lot of porn is fringe (fetish, bondage, etc.) most of what men and women look for is mainstream porn that depicts men and women having sex, female masturbation and girl on girl sex. And the porn industry realizes who their audience is and so most will be what is considered vanilla sex.

Will porn go away? No. Will it get easier to view? Yes. Will more technological advances occur that will enable people to interact with images? Most likely -- the technology is in its infant stages but is developing. Perhaps the only way to deal with it, from a religious perspective, is to try to create guilt involving the fact that people engage in sex in teh porn industry for money. Seems a bit weird to realize that after a sex scene the actors and actresses go shower off, get dressed and pick up a paycheck that is based on what sexual act they allowed to be filmed.

Oh, and maybe one of the biggest reasons it has mainstreamed into the culture is due to hotel chains offering it on their room menu services. People tend to believe that if family businesses offer such things then it must be okay.

[_LDSToronto]

Oh, and maybe one of the biggest reasons it has mainstreamed into the culture is due to hotel chains offering it on their room menu services. People tend to believe that if family businesses offer such things then it must be okay.

Like Marriott?

H.