Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

[_EAllusion]

Of course.

And yet you wrote that post.

[_Hughes]

Then the complaint is moot. There is no designer to complain to.

Yes, well that's the point, isn't it? It's a hypothetical question based on the assumption that there is a God.

Then if the assumption is that there is a God (biblical), then the parameters contained in the Bible should be included. IE the effects of the curse of sin on the universe, and the long ages of the early humans, yet our shorter ages.... wonder if that's a clue as well?

[_Molok]

Whether or not a designer did a "good job" depends on what the designer's aims were.

Yep.

If opposition in all things is part and parcel of human existence, then it fits. If life was meant to be pain and trial free, then it doesn't. Take your pick.

Regards,
MG

that's right! because if our bodies were perfect, that would solve all of life's problems!

[_Buffalo]

Then if the assumption is that there is a God (biblical), then the parameters contained in the Bible should be included. IE the effects of the curse of sin on the universe, and the long ages of the early humans, yet our shorter ages.... wonder if that's a clue as well?

Fair question. I suppose the implicit assumption is that there is a god, but scientific reality is not rejected in the assumption?

[_Buffalo]

If God's design objective was to make it appear exactly as if there was no designer involved at all, then mission accomplished.

[_Some Schmo]

If there's a poor design, that indicates there's a designer (which is the purpose of the ID movement, to detect designed things)

Whoa... I just noticed this from someone else quoting it.

The purpose of the ID "movement" is by no means "to detect designed things." It's purpose was to repackage creationism in an effort to get it taught in science class. You make it sound like it's purpose is lofty and noble when in reality it's pretty underhanded.

[_Themis]

People can make up all kinds of possibilities to protect their beliefs, but in reality humans and the rest of life on earth looks like no designer was ever present, and life evolved on it's own. This easily explains why we see so many flaws.

[_stemelbow]

People can make up all kinds of possibilities to protect their beliefs, but in reality humans and the rest of life on earth looks like no designer was ever present, and life evolved on it's own. This easily explains why we see so many flaws.

As it is, if the LDS concept of God having a Father and so is true, then its reasonable also to assume the concepts of the plan of salvation, and laws of atonement, are ubiquitous. You see, God didn't design the mortal world out of nothing. he designed it while contricted to the eternal laws and eternal elements are His disposal. In the long run, then, I don't see a designer is at all necessary. It goes back for forever. That might also mean the "weaknesses" we see in the flesh wasn't by design at all.

[_Buffalo]

People can make up all kinds of possibilities to protect their beliefs, but in reality humans and the rest of life on earth looks like no designer was ever present, and life evolved on it's own. This easily explains why we see so many flaws.

As it is, if the LDS concept of God having a Father and so is true, then its reasonable also to assume the concepts of the plan of salvation, and laws of atonement, are ubiquitous. You see, God didn't design the mortal world out of nothing. he designed it while contricted to the eternal laws and eternal elements are His disposal. In the long run, then, I don't see a designer is at all necessary. It goes back for forever. That might also mean the "weaknesses" we see in the flesh wasn't by design at all.

In which case, gods becomes entire superfluous, and no longer necessary to fulfill their original purpose, which was to help humans explain the things the didn't understand.

[_Hughes]

Then if the assumption is that there is a God (biblical), then the parameters contained in the Bible should be included. IE the effects of the curse of sin on the universe, and the long ages of the early humans, yet our shorter ages.... wonder if that's a clue as well?

Fair question. I suppose the implicit assumption is that there is a god, but scientific reality is not rejected in the assumption?


- If God's design objective was to make it appear exactly as if there was no designer involved at all, then mission accomplished.

Why would "scientific reality" be rejected?

Of course the fact that information found in every cell, contained in DNA indicates there's an intelligence behind it, shows that there must have been a designer.