Worshiping Science

[_Buffalo]

What did he do that deserves your worship? He thought he was the Jewish Messiah (not God). He didn't fulfill any of the Messianic prophesies though. He had a few nice ideas (not unique to him) and a few bad ideas. He was seemly arrogant and cocksure, and thumbed his nose at the religious leadership of the time, and was murdered for it. I'm sure he didn't deserve to die, but I can't think of anything he did worthy of worship.

It is what he already did before he came into the world, what he took upon himself while in this world, and for you personally, what he is going to do just as soon as you come unto him with full purpose of heart and repent just and true, you will be wrought upon with a new creation. That sort of thing only a living and true God can accomplish. Having secured therefore this manner of sanctification you will know God and Jesus Christ whom he sent.

On the other hand, living or dead, when the Lord comes to the world again you shall call for the rocks to fall upon you to hide you from him.

Alma 12: 14
14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to chide us from his presence.

The fact that you think he suffered for our sins proves he's not the Messiah. That is not his role.

[_Buffalo]

Aren't your beloved Jewish friends the ones who wrote the Messiah prophecies? Wouldn't they be the best ones to decide who does / doesn't fulfill them?

The Jews did not write the prophecies. Yes they may have moved the writing implement or talked to the scribe but the Words came from God. They could not know any more than anybody else what the meaning was unless it was translated for them. Anyone who reads Daniel knows this to be true. He describes writing the messages but not understanding them. How can we assign knowledge or understanding to the person who was used as a tool of God? And the Jews were chosen because they were the descendants of Abraham not because they had a corner on understanding.

The prophecies of the coming of the Messiah come in two flavors. One set He is meek and is killed. The other set He is a King who rules with a rod of iron and His kingdom is the whole world. The Jews ignored the prophecy about the meek Messiah they instead were looking for the strong ruler. But we can't place to much judgment on the Jews. Many saw Jesus and few could see who He was. And now many Jews have spiritual blindness as an act of mercy which will not be lifted until His return.

So why would we use someone with spiritual blindness to interpret scripture?

There are no prophesies that the Messiah would be killed. That's an ex post facto misuse of non-Messianic prophesy.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Buffalo,

There are no prophesies that the Messiah would be killed. That's an ex post facto misuse of non-Messianic prophesy.

Not only are there Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies concerning how he would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies that speak of no broken bones when killed, and prophecies of the rising from death AFTER he is killed.

The Old Testament is litered with prophecies that the Messiah (Jesus) fulfilled.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Drifting]

Hey Buffalo,

There are no prophesies that the Messiah would be killed. That's an ex post facto misuse of non-Messianic prophesy.

Not only are there Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies concerning how he would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies that speak of no broken bones when killed, and prophecies of the rising from death AFTER he is killed.

The Old Testament is litered with prophecies that the Messiah (Jesus) fulfilled.

Peace,
Ceeboo

These were accounts of 'old' prophecies that were only written down after they had actually happened, right?

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Drifting,

These were accounts of 'old' prophecies that were only written down after they had actually happened, right?

No, the Septuagint/Old Testament has been in the hands of humans long before (thousands of years) the time when Jesus walked amongst us.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Drifting]

Hi Drifting,

These were accounts of 'old' prophecies that were only written down after they had actually happened, right?

No, the Septuagint/Old Testament has been in the hands of humans long before (thousands of years) the time when Jesus walked amongst us.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Furry nuff, thanks.

Was it produced after the flood (circa 2,000 a 3,000 bc) by one for the eight people that survived?

[_Nightlion]

Hey Buffalo,

There are no prophesies that the Messiah would be killed. That's an ex post facto misuse of non-Messianic prophesy.

Not only are there Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies concerning how he would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies that speak of no broken bones when killed, and prophecies of the rising from death AFTER he is killed.

The Old Testament is litered with prophecies that the Messiah (Jesus) fulfilled.

Peace,
Ceeboo

To say nothing about all the great prophets who were too much right on about Christ like the Book of Mormon quotes of the prophets Zenos and Zenock and Neum. Which were so precise that the Jews erased them from scripture.


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1 Ne. 19: 10
10 And the God of our fathers, who were bled out of Egypt, out of bondage, and also were preserved in the wilderness by him, yea, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, yieldeth himself, according to the words of the angel, as a man, into the hands of wicked men, to be lifted up, according to the words of Zenock, and to be crucified, according to the words of Neum, and to be buried in a sepulchre, according to the words of Zenos, which he spake concerning the three days of darkness, which should be a sign given of his death unto those who should inhabit the isles of the sea, more especially given unto those who are of the house of Israel.

Zenos predicts Israel on the isles of the sea. (Book of Mormon) Interesting.

When the God of nature suffered and the Earth shrank and cracked all the solid rocks the Western Hemisphere experienced a terrestrial blow out of gigantic proportions which the Book of Mormon people were sent to be witness of. Perhaps the Yucatan meteor impact crater is in fact the blow out crater of that event. What say ye science? Possible? Is there obvious proof staring in the face of science for both Christ and the Book of Mormon?

[_Ceeboo]

Zachariah (Old Testament prophet circa 520BC) is clearly one who spoke much about the Messiah (Jesus).


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Buffalo]

Hey Buffalo,

There are no prophesies that the Messiah would be killed. That's an ex post facto misuse of non-Messianic prophesy.

Not only are there Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies concerning how he would be killed, there are Old Testament prophecies that speak of no broken bones when killed, and prophecies of the rising from death AFTER he is killed.

The Old Testament is litered with prophecies that the Messiah (Jesus) fulfilled.

Peace,
Ceeboo

The early Christians had to explain Jesus' death somehow, so they used every proof text they could find. The trouble is these were not Messianic prophecies.

[_Buffalo]

To say nothing about all the great prophets who were too much right on about Christ like the Book of Mormon quotes of the prophets Zenos and Zenock and Neum. Which were so precise that the Jews erased them from scripture.


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1 Ne. 19: 10
10 And the God of our fathers, who were bled out of Egypt, out of bondage, and also were preserved in the wilderness by him, yea, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, yieldeth himself, according to the words of the angel, as a man, into the hands of wicked men, to be lifted up, according to the words of Zenock, and to be crucified, according to the words of Neum, and to be buried in a sepulchre, according to the words of Zenos, which he spake concerning the three days of darkness, which should be a sign given of his death unto those who should inhabit the isles of the sea, more especially given unto those who are of the house of Israel.

Zenos predicts Israel on the isles of the sea. (Book of Mormon) Interesting.

When the God of nature suffered and the Earth shrank and cracked all the solid rocks the Western Hemisphere experienced a terrestrial blow out of gigantic proportions which the Book of Mormon people were sent to be witness of. Perhaps the Yucatan meteor impact crater is in fact the blow out crater of that event. What say ye science? Possible? Is there obvious proof staring in the face of science for both Christ and the Book of Mormon?

It's easy to prophesy of Jesus' death 1900 years after the fact, Nightlion. :)

The Yucan crater was made 65 million years ago, and caused the extinction of Dinosaurs, not Nephites. Sorry. :)