When Chapel Mormons Attack

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Re: When Chapel Mormons Attack

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Blixa wrote:You have a charming style, zeez...

That is nice of you, Blixa. Oops, I should have said Red Baron plane...

Maybe the stress of all this leaving the church business is breaking me. Making wires cross and stuff. Why does it have to be so damn hard?
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Re: When Chapel Mormons Attack

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zeezrom wrote: Why does it have to be so damn hard?


That's what she said!
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zeezrom wrote:That is nice of you, Blixa. Oops, I should have said Red Baron plane...

Maybe the stress of all this leaving the church business is breaking me. Making wires cross and stuff. Why does it have to be so damn hard?


It's designed to be hard. I had a conversation tonight with four other people who, like me, attempted suicide during their crisis of faith. It occurred to me that at least some people on the MDD board (and a few here) would not show the slightest sympathy for such people. It makes me terribly sad to see the pain and suffering all of us have to go through, but it makes it all the worse to know that some people are glad of our pain.
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Runtu wrote: It makes me terribly sad to see the pain and suffering all of us have to go through, but it makes it all the worse to know that some people are glad of our pain.


I only just noticed that you have over 12,000 posts here. I hope you eventually get over it. How can I help? I acknowledge your pain. Tell me what else I can do.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Runtu wrote: It makes me terribly sad to see the pain and suffering all of us have to go through, but it makes it all the worse to know that some people are glad of our pain.


I only just noticed that you have over 12,000 posts here. I hope you eventually get over it. How can I help? I acknowledge your pain. Tell me what else I can do.


Yes. Runtu should definitely seek Ray's help - anger management is his special field. And Runtu is so much in need of that.
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Chap wrote:
Yes. Runtu should definitely seek Ray's help - anger management is his special field. And Runtu is so much in need of that.


Yuk.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Chap wrote:
Yes. Runtu should definitely seek Ray's help - anger management is his special field. And Runtu is so much in need of that.


Yuk.


You're getting the message, Ray.
Zadok:
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Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Maybe instead of focusing on "mocking" an LDS person, you should instead focus on correcting your ignorance an bigotry. I don't say it for no reason. I say it because that's how evil you all have become, no different than the KKK, Fanatical Islam, etc.

I'm not mocking you because you're LDS. I'm mocking you because, quite literally, nearly every post that you make on our forums contains an example of one of the things that I put in my graphic. You seem completely incapable of responding to someone without (a) calling them anti-Mormon; (b) calling them moron/idiot; (c) calling them liar; (d) referencing the time you spent out of the LDS church as if it makes you a super-authority on anything and everything. I've previously tried in a much nicer fashion (here and here) to get you to tone it down, but you just don't stop. So mockery is pretty fair game at this point.

Case in point, Katerine Skaggs. The woman is a self-identified believing Mormon writing for a very pro-LDS online magazine, and you still can't resist calling her a liar and implying that she might be a covert anti-Mormon.

In regards to the article linked to in the OP, I feel sorry for Ms. Skaggs. I think that she's off when she claims that "liberal Mormons" are using the "chapel Mormon/Internet Mormon" dichotomy in significant numbers or the term "TBM." Those terms are largely the domain of ex-Mormons and critics of the LDS church, not Mormon intellectuals (be they apologists or the more liberal Bloggernacle types). She is not off, however, in thinking that Mormon intellectuals of numerous stripes look down on their more conventional brothers and sisters, and that goes for "apologists" and "liberals" alike (I've long felt that apologetics is just a different kind of "liberal" Mormonism). It sounds to me like she Google'd her way into a gaggle of material from ex-Mormons, Mormon apologists, and liberal Mormons, became genuinely hurt at how all three groups tend to dump on Mormons like herself, and conflated what the ex-Mormons were saying with what everyone else was saying. I see absolutely no evidence that she is a liar.

Her argument isn't exactly well-made. Calling for Mormons to stop calling one another names and looking down on each other when it's clear that she looks down on "liberal Mormons" and called them her own share of names is not all that persuasive. Still, what I read is the essay of a believing Mormon woman who is hurt and confused, not a nefarious anti-Mormon-in-disguise liar.

Now she has people critical her church chortling with glee that she supported Shades' Chapel/Internet Mormon dichotomy (contra the apologists), and she has a supposedly fellow believing Mormon like yourself---someone who is supposed to be her brother in Christ, someone who should be looking on her pain and her anger with a little compassion and charity---dumping on her and calling her a liar and an anti-Mormon. You are a good example of exactly why that woman is conflating apologists with ex-Mormons. Because they're all picking on Mormons like her.

So, ldsfaqs, get used to me mocking you, because this time, I think you've firmly earned it.
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Re: When Chapel Mormons Attack

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MsJack: I hate to have to break it to you, but in your post you do not mock ldsfaqs at all. Instead, you kindly but firmly explain how he is in error. However, you said that you were going to mock him.

So you're a liar.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: When Chapel Mormons Attack

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ldsfaqs wrote:Maybe instead of focusing on "mocking" an LDS person, you should instead focus on correcting your ignorance an bigotry. I don't say it for no reason. I say it because that's how evil you all have become, no different than the KKK, Fanatical Islam, etc.


Oh, dear Lord . . .
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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