Conscientious Alternative to Mormonism

[_mikwut]

Themis,

My posts have been quite clear that our moral intuitions are reliable towards truth. How can you possibly read my posts and not clearly recognize that.

mikwut

[_Themis]

Themis,

My posts have been quite clear that our moral intuitions are reliable towards truth. How can you possibly read my posts and not clearly recognize that.

mikwut

It's a simple question. What truths? Can you give an example?

[_mikwut]

Themis,

Torturing babies for pleasure is immoral. Murder is immoral, etc..

mikwut

[_Hoops]

"God works in mysterious ways".

"God will reveal all in his own, due time."

John 18:37
“You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

Proverbs 15:14
The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

[_Themis]

Themis,

Torturing babies for pleasure is immoral. Murder is immoral, etc..

mikwut

While I agree with you, this is only a truth because we as people have made it that. Now there are probably evolutionary reasons for such. I have no idea how reliability fits here.

[_lulu]

Themis, Torturing babies for pleasure is immoral. Murder is immoral, etc..mikwut

Ahh, its the "etc." part where the troubles begin.

[_mikwut]

Themis,

Then they aren't truths, or facts that aren't reality based. They are socially agreed upon.

mikwut

[_Themis]

Themis,

Then they aren't truths, or facts that aren't reality based. They are socially agreed upon.

mikwut

How would they be reality based anyways. It still works out to the same thing in a Godless universe or a God one.

[_mikwut]

Themis,

How would they be reality based anyways. It still works out to the same thing in a Godless universe or a God one.

The question isn't how would they. That's like saying how is the laws of the universe reality based, we know they are but we don't have to find out the exact how before we know that. They (moral truths or illusions) are reality based, either through the process of evolution or by a creator. My issue raised is that if they are merely (I mean by that 'only' and not instead of - they are products of evolution) the products of the process of evolution why are we or I duty bound to follow the prescripts of morality? We aren't - we are only practically when it suits our best interests whatever we define that to be. If they are created like the rest of the fabric of reality by a creator real duty isn't problematic.

It is absurd to claim it works out the same - it is two completely different ontological categories.

mikwut

[_just me]

Themis,

Torturing babies for pleasure is immoral. Murder is immoral, etc..

mikwut

But, see, this is still a problem. Was it immoral for Moses to have all those babies and children and women and men murdered? Was it immoral for Nephi to murder Laban?