More Underclass/Hip-Hop Barbarism on Parade

[_EAllusion]

It wasn't a typo. It was you overreaching on your word-choice, which members of this board have seen you do dozens and dozens of times. It just so happened to come at a time where you were attacking someone as semi-literate, which made it funny.

It was a typo. I exchanged to word "bore" for "boor."

This is like trying to have a discussion with a plastic dinosaur.

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[_Droopy]

That the man with no name is an archetypical western hero in films

That's not in question.

that embody the myth of the West

That's not in question (although, theoretically, the concept of just what "the myth of the West" is is open to question and analysis).

or that Unforgiven is a deconstruction of the myth of the West, including that archetype?

Here's what you actually claimed, Egregious Delusion:

The man with no name is an archetypical western heroic stereotype imbedded in "white man in the wild west" myth making.

Whatever this theory is, it is not at all clear that it has anything to do with the fundamental psychology and intent of the Man With no Name character, or his ultimate meaning as a personae.

Who doesn't agree with either? It's obvious.

Oh yes, so very obvious. Everyone can see it clearly.

I own almost all Kurosawa movies, though this has nothing to do with anything.

Oh yes, it very much does. If you are really that ignorant of the close resemblance in style, characterization, and cinematography of a number of Leone's films (and virtually all of Eastwood's spaghetti westerns) to the classic Chambara films of the era, including Kurosawa's key works (which were not Chambara per se, for the most part, most of these being more properly jidaigeki), then you should not be tangling with me in the are of film criticism.

There are too many points of contact here, but they have nothing to do with white this or white anything, race, racism, or any presentist ideological fixations one would wish, from a half century away, to impose upon them.

But, but, Jackie Chan exists!

I guess so. I haven't heard of his funeral as of yet.

Bruce Li became popular after losing out the lead role in Kung Fu to David Caradine! That refutes the very existence of hundreds of examples of a narrative trope you pointed to, EA.

The fact of the matter is, minorities have been prominent and popular in Hollywood films, as both heroes and villains, for several decades now, and the claim of a still pervasive underlying racism in Hollywood is pure mythology. The arts and entertainment community and business is utterly dominated by the Left, and the tropes and bigotries that exist within in are virtually all in keeping with the classic tropes and bigotries of the Left in the surrounding culture.

The racial hysteria, hypersensitivity, and paranoia that exists on the secular Left, and which manifests itself here as a politicized, race-colored interpretation of 1960s Italian westerns and preposterous claims that contemporary films are concerned with racial solidarity among whites in major movies through the necessity of white heroes (and again, the existence of numerous, highly popular films featuring the likes of Jet Li, Jacky Chan, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Will Smith, black racist Samuel Jackson, Stalinist apologist Danny Glover, Chow Yun Fat, and many other, primarily black actors and actresses etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.), is ever more evidence that the only really prevalent and influential racism left in America is concentrated on the Left.

Most everyone else moved on long ago.

[_Droopy]

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This is a message board, D. There is banter here, and conversation, and sometimes I like to write like I would talk in person, or, as a novelist might do, separate sentences for effect.

I'm not writing a book here, or a term paper, or a graduate thesis.

Why don't you concentrate, for a while, on defending your own preposterous arguments and silly multiculturalism-polluted speculations about Italian westerns and worry less about each and every typo or odd sentence you find. I just pointed out an egregious grammatical problem with one of your own sentences (an extra word, which apparently you were too retarded to catch and filter out before posting), so why not fixate on that?

In fact, why not start a new thread on Loran's typos? That's what you folks do best around here (in lieu of stimulating, civil discussion).

[_EAllusion]

Whatever this theory is, it is not at all clear that it has anything to do with the fundamental psychology and intent of the Man With no Name character, or his ultimate meaning as a personae.

This is gibberish. The man with no name is not coincidentally white. You see, white people weren't always in the western part of the US. There was a time where they arrived and it was a frontier to them. There's a movie genre about that time called "Westerns." And Westerns are filled with stereotypes about white people and their role in the west and what the west was like upon their entrance. The man with no name embodies one particular western hero type. It's the archetypical example of it, actually. Leave it you to be shocked that the lit/film genre that gave us Cowboys vs. Indians could possibly reflect ideas about race in its mythology.

then you should not be tangling with me in the are of film criticism.

You ever notice that my external links of other posts I write come from a film criticism website? Why do you think that is? Anyway, making a trite observation of stylistic similarities between Kurosowa and silver age Westerns doesn't actually connect to any broader point.

The fact of the matter is, minorities have been prominent and popular in Hollywood films, as both heroes and villains, for several decades now, and the claim of a still pervasive underlying racism in Hollywood is pure mythology.

So, in your view, the fact that black people get movie roles suggests that movies themselves are free of any underlying racist sentiment. Interesting. Feel free to point out your black friends, too.

Tell me, how does this address the hundreds of examples of a racist narrative trope I pointed out? Where is my argument addressed here beyond brute naysaying? How is it that "Last Samurai" roles are so common in film? I argued the common knowledge view that American studio execs disproportionately will green-light films (and TV shows) that use whites as a window into foreign cultures. For instance, The Impossible, which is getting generally positive reviews and by most accounts is a good movie, tells the tale of a white family dealing with the 2004 tsunami in Thailand. That kind of movie, objectively, is funded more often and more generously than, say, ones that involve Thai stories. In the subgenre of "might whitey" stories, the white lead immerses him/herself in a foreign culture and becomes a great(est) example of it. Though rarely the explicit intent, the implication through repetition ends up being that white guys are the best. That's an actual thing that goes back hundreds of years that I, again, gave numerous examples of. Movie studios still like to make those movies. The highest grossing movie of all time is a thinly veiled example of one. Your contrarian explanation, it would seem, would be to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "la la la!"

The arts and entertainment community and business is utterly dominated by the Left, and the tropes and bigotries that exist within in are virtually all in keeping with the classic tropes and bigotries of the Left in the surrounding culture.

I didn't realize liberals were incapable of racist sentiments or behaving in such a way that sends a collectively racist message. Thanks for setting me straight. And here I thought "noble savage" myths, which are quite racist, were mostly a liberal thing.

preposterous claims that contemporary films are concerned with racial solidarity among whites

That does sound preposterous. Let me know if you find someone who argues it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ladies and Gentlemen. I present to you more Droopyisms:

This is a message board, D. There is banter here, and conversation, and sometimes I like to write like I would talk in person, or, as a novelist might do, separate sentences for effect.

I'm not writing a book here, or a term paper, or a graduate thesis.

Why don't you concentrate, for a while, on defending your own preposterous arguments and silly multiculturalism-polluted speculations about Italian westerns [!]and worry less about each and every typo or odd sentence you find. [sic] I just pointed out an egregious grammatical problem with one of your own sentences (an extra word, which apparently you were too r******* to catch and filter out before posting), so why not fixate on that?

In fact, why not start a new thread on Loran's typos? That's what you folks do best around here (in lieu of stimulating, civil discussion).

[_EAllusion]

I'm not writing a book here, or a term paper, or a graduate thesis.

You wrote, "I always use words correctly, unless I inadvertently insert a typo due to a mental oversight on my part."

Knowing that this is laughably false, I simply provided a link to an example of you misusing a word in one of your misguided rhetorical meanderings. I mean, this is something you are known for here. In a top 5 list describing your personality, this tendency of yours is highly likely to get mentioned.

This clearly touched a nerve.

(an extra word, which apparently you were too r******* to catch and filter out before posting), so why not fixate on that?

No deep-seated insecurities there. Stay classy.

[_Kevin Graham]

Not sure whether this is true or not, but the Bruce Lee Movie, "Dragon" explained that it was Lee who was slated to play the main character in the upcoming "Kung Fu" series, but they chose David Carradine because he looked less Asian. Also, Lee's role as "Kato" in the Green Hornet, required that he wear a mask at all times.

[_EAllusion]

Not sure whether this is true or not, but the Bruce Lee Movie, "Dragon" explained that it was Lee who was slated to play the main character in the upcoming "Kung Fu" series, but they chose David Carradine because he looked less Asian.

What's known is that Bruce Lee was passed over for the role for the not especially Chinese looking David Carradine, leading to many hilariously ridiculous slow-motion Kung Fu battles. I mentioned it in my post. There's decent evidence the original pitch for Kung Fu came from Bruce Lee in the first place. That's where Dragon gets its story from.

[_Kevin Graham]

Oh I didn't see where you mentioned this. And yes, I remember those slow-motion scenes. LOL! Never could figure out why they did that, but I was like six years old mimicking the moves. When we lived in Germany it was the only English speaking show we could get.

[_Droopy]

Knowing that this is laughably false, I simply provided a link to an example of you misusing a word in one of your misguided rhetorical meanderings. I mean, this is something you are known for here.

No, its something that you and a few other petulant, ideological thugs here created and then pretended existed. You did similar things to Will too with all the bleating nonsense about "misogyny" and you've done it to a number of others as well. All of you (including you, as I just pointed out) mess up in the word usage area too, now and then, but I've never been motivated to fixate on typos or rare misspelled words in an attempt to be snarky and preen my own inflated sense of intellectual superiority (and the entire game is nothing more than that, a game, as you well understand).

My general perception of this place has not changed: