Benson blows Monson's Arthur Patton tale out of the water

[Guest]

--Were Monson and Patton Really Close Boyhood Friends?

"So why did Patton's mom feel comfortable calling Monson Tommy...if she had not known him as a young man? To me there was a close relationship here...

"But more importantly, what is the point...that Monson didn't get his facts straight? Ok score one for Benson...but really, what is the big deal? Mormon GA's are known to exaggerate stories and focus on the most emotional trigger points to create a spiritual experience in their intended audience...Monson merely doing exactly that in his conference talks.

"The fact that he got his facts messed up...people do that...memory is not perfect...I'm sure more to the point is that he focused on what he considered a spiritual experience in his youth and expanded it to make a point that the church is true...big deal GA's caught doing what GA's do."

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Actually, score several points for history. Mormon prophets/GAs are known to lie, embellish, exaggerate, and then not admit they've done so, hoping that folks will defend their dishonesties, rationalize those deceptions away or simply ignore them. So, you're right in one respect: Monson is pulling one over on his intended audience.

At least Paul H. Dunn finally 'fessed up::

"I have been accused of various activities unbecoming a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"I confess that I have not always been accurate in my public talks and writings. Furthermore, I have indulged in other activities inconsistent with the high and sacred office which I have held.

"For all of these I feel a deep sense of remorse, and ask forgiveness of any whom I may have offended.

"My brethren of the General Authorities, over a long period of time, have conducted in-depth investigations of the charges made against me. They have weighed the evidence. They have censured me and placed a heavy penalty upon me.

"I accept their censure and the imposed penalty, and pledge to conduct my life in such a way as to merit their confidence and full fellowship.

"In making these acknowledgements, I plead for the understanding of my brethren and sisters throughout the Church and give assurance of my determination so to live as to bring added respect to the cause I deeply love, and honor to the Lord who is my Redeemer."

"Sincerely,

"Paul H. Dunn"


(Paul H. Dunn, "An Open Letter to Members of the Church," in "Church News," 26 October 1991)


Now, let's see Tom man up and follow Paul's example.

[_Res Ipsa]

Steve,

Have you ever ordered a copy of Patton's service record?

What I currently have is a copy of Patton's 10 December 1941 enlistment card, as well as a copy from his last ship, the U.S.S. White Plains, of its "Report of Changes of U.S.S. White Plains (CVE 66) for the month ending 19th day of July 1944," line 4 for "Arthur Frank Patton," Service Number: 368 71 14, Date of Enlistment: 10 Dec. 41, Place of Enlistment: Salt Lake City." On this report, Patton is designated as "Missing as result of own misconduct." The report further designates Patton, along with his shipmate Blake Lewis Pauley, as "Missing" (handwritten over the crossed-out, typed abbreviation "Trans." for "Transferred"), which appears under category 7: "Received, transferred, deserted, discharged, change of rating, death, or any other change of status." The designation for both men as "Missing as result of own misconduct" appears in category 9, under the sub-heading: "Vessel or station from which received, to what vessel or station transferred, when discharged and character of discharge; where deserted, and amount due or overpaid. When died, cause of death and where and when buried. If rated and authority for same. If disrated, give cause; if on detached duty, give place of duty. If passenger, give purpose of travel and final disposition."


Patton's enlistment card reads:

“Arthur Frank Patton, Navy; mother: Teresa Patton, 533 So. 2nd W, Salt Lake City.” A typed enlistment-related reference appearing in the lower right area of the card reads: “Enl-no. Bk#1, Pg 22. c.l. Trib 12-12-41,”

Thanks. Did you get that by ordering his service file? When I was reading your sources, I noticed that anyone can order his service record. It was clear you had access to information not on the internet, so I was wondering if you had ordered his record.

[_Craig Paxton]

Now, let's see Tom man up and follow Paul's example.

So Steve, you're equating Dunn's lies to Monson's lapse in memory? (God I hate defending Monson)

[_Craig Paxton]

Now, let's see Tom man up and follow Paul's example.

So Steve, you're equating Dunn's lies to Monson's lapse in memory? (God I hate defending Monson)

[_Steve Benson]

"Have you ever ordered a copy of Patton's service record?"

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What I currently have is a copy of Patton's 10 December 1941 enlistment card, as well as a copy from his last ship, the U.S.S. White Plains, of its "Report of Changes of U.S.S. White Plains (CVE 66) for the month ending 19th day of July 1944," line 4 for "Arthur Frank Patton," Service Number: 368 71 14, Date of Enlistment: 10 Dec. 41, Place of Enlistment: Salt Lake City." On this report, Patton is designated as "Missing as result of own misconduct." The report further designates Patton, along with his shipmate Blake Lewis Pauley, as "Missing" (handwritten over the crossed-out, typed abbreviation "Trans." for "Transferred"), which appears under category 7: "Received, transferred, deserted, discharged, change of rating, death, or any other change of status." The designation for both men as "Missing as result of own misconduct" appears in category 9, under the sub-heading: "Vessel or station from which received, to what vessel or station transferred, when discharged and character of discharge; where deserted, and amount due or overpaid. When died, cause of death and where and when buried. If rated and authority for same. If disrated, give cause; if on detached duty, give place of duty. If passenger, give purpose of travel and final disposition."


Patton's enlistment card reads:

“Arthur Frank Patton, Navy; mother: Teresa Patton, 533 So. 2nd W, Salt Lake City.” A typed enlistment-related reference appearing in the lower right area of the card reads: “Enl-no. Bk#1, Pg 22. c.l. Trib 12-12-41,”[/quote]

Thanks. Did you get that by ordering his service file? When I was reading your sources, I noticed that anyone can order his service record. It was clear you had access to information not on the internet, so I was wondering if you had ordered his record.[/quote]

I'm in the process of trying to get a hold of Patton's military service record, including his crew listings on the U.S.S. Dorsey (destroyer) and U.S.S. White Plains (aircraft carrier), along with any other possible stops along the way. Have had access to some important information through ancestyr.com, as well as some other speciality sites.

[_Steve Benson]

Now, let's see Tom man up and follow Paul's example.

So Steve, you're equating Dunn's lies to Monson's lapse in memory? (God I hate defending Monson)

I am equating exaggerations, lies and embellishments with exaggerations, lies and embellishments. Monson obviously knew he couldn't maintain his non-historical clams so he has attempted to change some (but not all ) of them under the radar and, in that sneak retreat, has refused to acknowledge that he has done so. That shows a real streak of personal dishonesty, in my opinion.

[_moksha]

Crap, this seems as bad as finding inaccurate information in the 1960 Encyclopedia Britannica and I do hate it when that is blown out of the water. The drying process makes the pages all crinkly.

[_Darth J]

Steve, do you do requests? Because I totally have one.

Thomas Monson has this story about a widow who was escorted to the church by a bunch of teenagers, fed a Thanksgiving dinner, given a choice of pie, and then treated to a "choice program." He has told this story at least three times:

May 1996 Ensign

November 1989 Ensign

October 2009 Ensign

The details of this story sometimes change, like whether the choice of apple or pumpkin pie is specified, or whether the widow got to take home leftover turkey and rolls.

Something about this story just strikes me as implausible. Would you do me a solid and Sam Spade the crap out of this story?

[Guest]

Steve, do you do requests? Because I totally have one.

Thomas Monson has this story about a widow who was escorted to the church by a bunch of teenagers, fed a Thanksgiving dinner, given a choice of pie, and then treated to a "choice program." He has told this story at least three times:

May 1996 Ensign

November 1989 Ensign

October 2009 Ensign

The details of this story sometimes change, like whether the choice of apple or pumpkin pie is specified, or whether the widow got to take home leftover turkey and rolls.

Something about this story just strikes me as implausible. Would you do me a solid and Sam Spade the s*** out of this story?

hey man. i am from bountiful. that could have been my grandmother who removed her wraps with those, young, strapping, fine hands of the lord's one true church. be respectful.

darth, have you seen that frank underwood show? house of cards? the netflix one with kevin spacey? i think hinckley was the frank underwood of the church. that dude was pulling the strings of the church at every goddamn level, probably never more so than when the john birch society was eating through a tube in the lord's one true residence.

monson was like the vice president the whole time. telling stories about a widow in bountiful and some dude with a cool name that died during the war. he was being punked because he was a perfect story teller that would let hinckley build a 100 temples and divert the money into shopping malls and stuff, like historical documents. monson was like al gore. "just hang out here, al, tell a story to all those people, will ya? you can have your turn some day, i promise. can you leave now? i have an appointment with geffin and monica."

[_Steve Benson]

Steve, do you do requests? Because I totally have one.

"Thomas Monson has this story about a widow who was escorted to the church by a bunch of teenagers, fed a Thanksgiving dinner, given a choice of pie, and then treated to a "choice program." He has told this story at least three times:

May 1996 Ensign

November 1989 Ensign

October 2009 Ensign

"The details of this story sometimes change, like whether the choice of apple or pumpkin pie is specified, or whether the widow got to take home leftover turkey and rolls.

"Something about this story just strikes me as implausible. Would you do me a solid and Sam Spade the s*** out of this story?"

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In my other life, I'm a DJ but I don't spin apples, pumpkins, leftover turkeys or rolls.