Biden knew Saddam Hussein had NO plans to attack the US. Evidence is overwhelming.

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ldsfaqs wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 pm
You do know it's now PROVEN that UFO's (thus some type of "alien") is real...?
I didn't realize that UFOs equalled aliens. Please, enlighten me.
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honorentheos wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:13 am
ldsfaqs wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 pm
You do know it's now PROVEN that UFO's (thus some type of "alien") is real...?
I didn't realize that UFOs equalled aliens. Please, enlighten me.
What else could they be with technology that flys like they do?
You could maybe make an argument that some "secret" programs exist that create these, except there are a few problems with this argument.

1. Why would such programs remain secret and not be used especially in situations they might be useful? I mean, just random flying around with no purpose doesn't validate some secret program of any government/person. These things aren't being seen in major situations etc. of the world for the most part.

2. These things have been seen and recorded FOREVER, long before anyone "could" potentially have such technology.
These are essentially the only "official" releases and acknowledgment.
I've been seeing these reports, video, leaked and amature, for all 48 years of my life...

Think I forget what else I was going to say, but you get the idea...

by the way, to be clear, they don't have to be "creatures", they could be humanoid similar to us.
However, I somewhat suspect that the "Greys" are in fact real, because if you think of human evolution, in many 1,000's of years forward, we will likely look similar to them. Our brains will have grown more, and we will have used our body's less, thus they will become smaller and weaker, so like with comparing us with Cro-Magnon man, that's how our bodies will change, bigger heads, smaller/weaker body's.

All of this of course is speculation, but it's reasoned/evidentiary speculation.
by the way, just a fun fact, my views of the Church are not "speculator", it's sure knowledge based on study and experience, tons of evidence, not a little evidence like UFO's. Yet, they certainly exist... :)
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:59 pm
Again, the point was if they show up in our solar system we are toast.
True, sorry.
honorentheos wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:54 am
The calculus of our becoming advanced enough to turn their own tech back against them in a relatively short time frame compared to their trip guarantees they remove us immediately so they can enjoy the reward of risking the interstellar trip in the first place.
So if the aliens go to Mars, they would just keep an eye on us. The aliens wouldn't be afraid of our technology.
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:59 pm
Again, the point was if they show up in our solar system we are toast. They will eliminate us because conditions demand it.
If they come as large group most likely, but there are a lot of unknowns. We should look at the only intelligent species we know of, Humans. We have no problem killing other species and ourselves, but at the same time we make rules to protect other species and find ways to coexist. We are now exploring space with fairly good intentions. There are also questions about how they and us may develop as intelligent groups. We have examples of successful groups that are authoritarian and democratic, benevolent or ruthless. I'm not sure how our own world will pan out or if there are evolutionary forces that may favor one over the other.

If it comes down to survival they will most likely kill us, and if they are on that mean side too much they may kill us if they view us as a threat. Evolution makes us fairly ruthless when survival is on the line, but benevolent most of the time when resources are plentiful. When it comes to energy our own galaxy has plentiful supplies. Same with most other resources including water. So far what we see in our own galaxy is a crap LOAD of untapped resources, so it doesn't appear a highly developed species is doing much of gathering it in our neck of the woods or would need out solar system with so many others available. I am still concerned though if a more developed species in space finds us how they may view us.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:41 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:40 pm

Of course you don’t know. It’s obvious from how you talk about it.
I can't think of a good reason.

1. The US knew Saddam was not planning to attack the US.
2. The US knew Saddam was not planning to give weapons to terrorists.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/us-in ... s-in-iraq/
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:40 pm
Now, what did he expect the result of the AUMF to be when he cast his vote?
I don't know, but it was popular politics at the time according to the polls.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/8038/seven ... -iraq.aspx
I do want to know your opinion.
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You need to remember that real space travel isn't star wars/star trek warping around the galaxy just seeing what's up. Realistic space travel between star systems will take centuries so one doesn't show up here, top off on the water at an out of the way moon of Jupiter and then go on one's merry way.

All of the pieces of what space travel really looks like, including what would motivate an alien race to risk it, make it inevitable that if one shows up in our solar system they will be removing humans from the equation. Intelligent life that can take their tech and turn it against them has to be considered a serious threat.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:32 am
honorentheos wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:13 am

I didn't realize that UFOs equalled aliens. Please, enlighten me.
What else could they be with technology that flys like they do?
You could maybe make an argument that some "secret" programs exist that create these, except there are a few problems with this argument.
The fact that you (particularly you) or anyone else doesn't know what else they could be is irrelevant, and is not sufficient to establish that they are necessarily extraterrestrial aliens. They could merely be some kind of natural phenomenon that we (or the the particular observers at the time of observation) have not yet acquired the scientific knowledge to understand.
1. Why would such programs remain secret and not be used especially in situations they might be useful? I mean, just random flying around with no purpose doesn't validate some secret program of any government/person. These things aren't being seen in major situations etc. of the world for the most part.
Other than idle speculation, I have no answer to those questions, and neither do you.
2. These things have been seen and recorded FOREVER, long before anyone "could" potentially have such technology.
These are essentially the only "official" releases and acknowledgment.
I've been seeing these reports, video, leaked and amature, for all 48 years of my life...
So have I, and I still don't have any firm conclusions about them beyond that they are Unidentified Flying Objects, nor can I nor you unequivocally conclude that they are necessarily a product of some kind of advanced technology.
by the way, to be clear, they don't have to be "creatures", they could be humanoid similar to us.
humanoid or not, they are still "creatures", if they exist at all.
However, I somewhat suspect that the "Greys" are in fact real, because if you think of human evolution, in many 1,000's of years forward, we will likely look similar to them. Our brains will have grown more, and we will have used our body's less, thus they will become smaller and weaker, so like with comparing us with Cro-Magnon man, that's how our bodies will change, bigger heads, smaller/weaker body's.
What you suspect is irrelevant. It is still nothing more than speculation, though I don't deny that such speculation can be both fun and entertaining.
All of this of course is speculation,. . .
Exactly! Enough said!
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honorentheos wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:56 am
All of the pieces of what space travel really looks like, including what would motivate an alien race to risk it, make it inevitable that if one shows up in our solar system they will be removing humans from the equation.
If they come as a large group most likely since they are likely planning to set up camp in our solar system to live. I suspect they would be interested in learning as much as they can about the universe and especially their own neck of the woods. They would want to send out probes first, and when it comes to resources I doubt our solar system will have anything they cannot get elsewhere in abundance. Especially since we can observe most of those resources don't look to being used.
Intelligent life that can take their tech and turn it against them has to be considered a serious threat.
Sure, but we have to look at what kind of group they are. Would they consider us a threat or would we be so far behind them that would could never really catch up and be a real threat. This is an idea of A.I. when it passes us by we will never be able to change fast enough to ever catch up but be continually outdistanced at light speed. Would they have different plans for us then simple extermination. Would we be amalgamated into their group. There are so many unknowns about even how we will change into the future. Certainly we should expect our technology to expand, but most don't realize we will also start to change ourselves. Will we bring biology and machines together including A.I.. Will we become more of a collective then individual thinking beings? There are probably many possibilities we haven't even thought of.

But I would suggest we don't try to send out signals to any species out in space in order to better protect us from what they may want to do with us. Based on what I see I am not confident there is a more advanced species in our part of the galaxy or even in our galaxy and since travel would take so long I'm not to worried about it atm.
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I don't think people really appreciate the size of the universe. Other than the sun, the closest star is 4.25 light years away.

So, even if aliens have figured out light-speed travel, they're still making quite a commitment travelling from any star system to another. I think encountering another planet with life forms, given the trillions of stars in the universe, would be quite an accomplishment, even if life only happens one in a million planets. I suppose the theory is that advanced life forms might be able to scan the universe for other life forms with highly advanced telescopes, so they might know exactly where to go. They'd still have to make the trip.

Aliens showing up just to observe and then screw off (and not concealing themselves well enough to avoid looking like a cheap tin plate thrown into the sky)? Seems pretty far fetched to me.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:39 am
I suppose the theory is that advanced life forms might be able to scan the universe for other life forms with highly advanced telescopes, so they might know exactly where to go. They'd still have to make the trip.
Humans are certainly very interested in looking for life out in the universe, so I suspect a highly advanced species would also be interested.
Aliens showing up just to observe and then screw off (and not concealing themselves well enough to avoid looking like a cheap tin plate thrown into the sky)? Seems pretty far fetched to me.
I suspect they would do the same as we are and send out advanced unmanned probes to gain information about other parts of the universe. Just thinking about it, maybe they could send out probes that would have all the necessary building materials to create their species in various solar systems. Brings to mind the Expanse with the proto-molecule or the movie species. Why make the trip yourself when you can just replicate yourself upon arrival. :twisted:
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