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Re: Texas flooding

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huckelberry wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:25 pm
I cannot think of any religious tradition where the prophets role is to make a bunch of accurate predictions. To lead clarify and inspire would be more the job. Of course that leaves plenty of room to hope for more inspiration and help with social issues.
The SLC LDS Church claims this…
A prophet is a person who has been called by God to speak for Him (see Jeremiah 1:4–5; Amos 3:7; John 15:16; Doctrine and Covenants 1:37–38). Prophets testify of Jesus Christ and teach His gospel. They make known God’s will and true character. They denounce sin, warn of its consequences, and help us avoid deception (see Ezekiel 3:16–17; Ephesians 4:11–14). At times, they prophesy of future events. Prophets are able to perform these responsibilities because they receive authority, keys, and revelation from God.
The bit about helping us avoid deception is particularly ironic given the Church was fined a lot of money for a decades long scheme signed off by the Prophet that was designed to deceive the SEC, the IRS, and the membership.
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Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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malkie wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:55 pm
Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:31 am
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To which MG replies:



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Actually, no - we are not "talking about the Creator of all things".

MG is claiming that such a creator, whom he has chosen to believe in, exists, and is the subject of the conversation.

Many other participants in the conversation reject that claim due to lack of convincing evidence.

However, if others accept, simply for the sake of argument, that such a creator exists, "He doesn't quite have it all together." is a pretty good and defensible position to take.

Sheesh!
I think that for believers the creator of all things does fit into the conversation. Ya' can't just brush Him off. :)

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See? Trump agrees with the Mormon deity. People who ask questions about the lack of warnings of the food risk are just plain EVIL...

Heh, heh!


Trump calls reporter 'evil' for asking about lack of warnings ahead of flood

Donald Trump just berated a CBS News Texas reporter who said that families of the dead are saying that their loved ones could have been saved had emergency warnings gone out before the flooding. “What do you say to those families?” the reporter asked the president.

“Well, I think everyone did an incredible job under the circumstances,” Trump said with a shrug of his shoulders. He then suggested that the severity of the flooding was unforeseeable and said he had only “admiration” for the local officials.

“Only a bad person would ask a question like that, to be honest with you. I don’t know who you are, but only a very evil person would ask a question like that,” Trump said. “I think this has been heroism. This has been incredible, the job you’ve all done.

“It’s easy to sit back and say, ‘Oh, what could’ve happened here”, Trump added in a mocking tone.
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Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:19 pm
See? Trump agrees with the Mormon deity. People who ask questions about the lack of warnings of the food risk are just plain EVIL...

Heh, heh!


Trump calls reporter 'evil' for asking about lack of warnings ahead of flood

Donald Trump just berated a CBS News Texas reporter who said that families of the dead are saying that their loved ones could have been saved had emergency warnings gone out before the flooding. “What do you say to those families?” the reporter asked the president.

“Well, I think everyone did an incredible job under the circumstances,” Trump said with a shrug of his shoulders. He then suggested that the severity of the flooding was unforeseeable and said he had only “admiration” for the local officials.

“Only a bad person would ask a question like that, to be honest with you. I don’t know who you are, but only a very evil person would ask a question like that,” Trump said. “I think this has been heroism. This has been incredible, the job you’ve all done.

“It’s easy to sit back and say, ‘Oh, what could’ve happened here”, Trump added in a mocking tone.
I think he is saying that the armchair critics really don't have a leg to stand on in this instance. The Hill Country did not have an early warning system and there was poor cell coverage. And then the one-hundred-year storm...

In the middle of the night.

There are always the critics. I think he was simply calling them out as being somewhat unfair and foolish in this instance.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:28 pm
I think he is saying that the armchair critics really don't have a leg to stand on in this instance. The Hill Country did not have an early warning system
Oh. So it is evil to ask why an area like that had no early warning system for flash floods?
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Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:37 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:28 pm
I think he is saying that the armchair critics really don't have a leg to stand on in this instance. The Hill Country did not have an early warning system
Oh. So it is evil to ask why an area like that had no early warning system for flash floods?
He said, "under the circumstances'. Folks seem to be prejudging things and placing blame on others. I think the President is simply saying, 'screw you people', get a life! Everyone knows this was a disaster. To go pointing fingers at Trump...because he's Trump...is a bit foolhardy, at least in this instance. There were other factors at play.

Trump is known for hyperbole. If he uses the word "evil" he is probably saying that some folks are simply trying to rouse up trouble where it is unnessary to do so in this instance.

As with much that goes on here on this 'obsession' board, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

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"Trump is known for hyperbole."

Is that the latest excuse for the idiotic, asinine, uneducated, bigoted remarks made by Trump?
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:39 am
"Trump is known for hyperbole."

Is that the latest excuse for the idiotic, asinine, uneducated, bigoted remarks made by Trump?
This excuse is multi-purpose, requires no thought, minimises the constant lying - what's not to like?

Nice to know we have a Trump explainer on the board.
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Re: Texas flooding

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:49 pm
Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:37 pm


Oh. So it is evil to ask why an area like that had no early warning system for flash floods?
He said, "under the circumstances'. Folks seem to be prejudging things and placing blame on others. I think the President is simply saying, 'screw you people', get a life! Everyone knows this was a disaster. To go pointing fingers at Trump...because he's Trump...is a bit foolhardy, at least in this instance. There were other factors at play.

Trump is known for hyperbole. If he uses the word "evil" he is probably saying that some folks are simply trying to rouse up trouble where it is unnessary to do so in this instance.

As with much that goes on here on this 'obsession' board, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

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An alternative suggestion as to how a fairly normal head of state of any country might have replied to such a question:

"Thank you for your question: I do understand the way those families feel after the tragic loss of so many loved ones. At the moment our brave and tireless rescue services have been concentrating on finding all the people who are missing in the aftermath of this horrible disaster, and we shall support those services and all the grieving families the best way we can. But yes - later on, the time will certainly come for us to ask what we can do to diminish the chances of such a terrible disaster once more tearing so many of our loved ones from us. And I shall want to see that job get done, believe me."

Is the USA better off or worse off in having a president who responds to such a questioner by saying in effect, as MG so elegantly puts it "'screw you people, get a life!"? Gosh, that's a hard one ...
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Pure nasty EVIL from the Washington Post.

They should follow the President's sage advice (as paraphrased by MG) and screw themselves. How dare they reveal such information??

And damn those officious federal meteorologist know-alls. Fortunately, they'll soon all be out of a job! Trump knows how to deal with this kind of problem!

Kerr County did not use its most far-reaching alert system in deadly Texas floods
Local officials used the system more than two days after the recorded height of the floods.


July 11, 2025 at 5:20 p.m. EDTYesterday at 5:20 p.m. EDT

By Joyce Sohyun Lee, Brianna Sacks, Aaron C. Davis, Scott Dance, Andrew Ba Tran and Imogen Piper
The Texas county where nearly 100 people were killed and more than 160 remain missing had the technology to turn every cellphone in the river valley into a blaring alarm, but local officials did not do so before or during the early-morning hours of July 4 as river levels rose to record heights, inundating campsites and homes, a Washington Post examination found.

Kerr County officials, who have come under increasing scrutiny for their actions as the Guadalupe River began to flood, eventually sent text-message alerts that morning to residents who had registered to receive them, according to screenshots of the texts. But The Post’s review of emergency notifications that night found that even as a federal meteorologist warned of deteriorating conditions and catastrophic risk, county officials did not activate a more powerful notification tool they had previously used to warn of potential flooding. The National Weather Service sent its own alerts through this system, beginning at 1:14 a.m. on July 4.

That mass notification system, known as the Integrated Public Alert & Warning System, or IPAWS, is used by National Weather Service meteorologists to warn of imminent threats. Warnings of life-threatening weather events sent on that system — similar to Amber Alerts — force phones to vibrate and emit a unique, jarring tone as long as they’re on and have a signal. They also allow qualified local officials to send tailored messages to targeted areas.

The lack of alerts sent through IPAWS from Kerr County officials as the Guadalupe River flooded was a critical misstep in their response, said Abdul-Akeem Sadiq, a professor at the University of Central Florida who researches emergency management. Residents are more likely to trust — and listen to — their local government officials, he said, and the alert could have made a difference for some people despite the spotty cellphone service along the river and the fact that many people were probably asleep as floodwaters surged.

“If the alert had gone out, there might be one or two people who might have still been able to receive that message, who now, through word of mouth, alert people around them,” Sadiq said.

IPAWS is just one part of a successful emergency response, experts say. Ideally, officials would warn of impending weather events before they escalate — and on July 4, the flooding surged faster and higher than forecasters had predicted.

Kerr County officials have for years talked about the need for a more robust flash-flood warning system, including sirens that would reach people in places with no cell service. But in the absence of that expensive infrastructure, they adopted IPAWS — which cost them nothing — as a way to alert more people by phone.

Kerr County officials have activated IPAWS twice before, most recently in 2024 amid concern about possible flash floods, according to a database of alerts sent through IPAWS archived by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Last summer, on the evening of July 23, records show, an alert sent through IPAWS was issued from an email address used by William B. “Dub” Thomas, Kerr County’s emergency management coordinator. In that instance, the alert warned that the Guadalupe River could rise four feet and that people should avoid low-level river crossings and move their belongings away from the water. The flash flood passed with no major injuries.

On July 4, the river rose about 30 feet in Hunt, Texas, close to Camp Mystic, where more than two dozen campers would be killed in the flood.

Two days after the deadly storm, amid more thunderstorms and heavy rain, Kerr County officials used IPAWS to warn that there could be another round of river flooding, the database shows.

Thomas, Kerr County Sheriff Larry Leitha and other county officials did not respond to emails, texts and other requests from The Post for comment. A communications team representing state and local officials said in a statement that county leaders have been focused on rescue and reunification and are “committed to a transparent and full review of processes and protocols.”

Asked Tuesday during a news conference if anyone in the county’s emergency management division had been awake to push the button to send an emergency alert, Leitha shot back that it wasn’t that easy. “There’s a lot more to that,” he said. A reporter asked again, had any alert been sent? “I can’t tell you at this time,” Leitha said.

Faced with similar questions at a news conference a day later, the sheriff said he was not running from responsibility.
“Those questions need to be answered to the families of missed loved ones, to the public, to the people who put me in this office,” Leitha said, promising a full after-action review.

The National Weather Service issued 22 alerts through IPAWS on July 4, sending increasingly dire warnings to swaths of Kerr County.

The Weather Service’s typical notifications use wording such as “turn around, don’t drown” and “move to higher ground now” to warn of general risks to broad geographical areas. They come so frequently in an area of the country known as “Flash Flood Alley” that they are often ignored, residents say.

Experts say that county officials, by contrast, could have issued evacuation orders, described risks to specific neighborhoods or provided other, more location-specific guidance to stay safe. Such targeted information, especially from a known and trusted source, can help persuade people to take action, experts say.
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