Gunnar wrote:DrW has reminded me that LittleNipper is fundamentally incapable of un-learning or modifying his absurd misconceptions about the age of the universe, and it is therefore a waste of time to even engage him, but as a parting shot I will leave yet another irrefutable, purely mathematical argument that YEC is the purest nonsense. Trigonometric proof that the universe has to be much more than 6,000 years old.
Based on the known, current speed of light and simple trigonometry, Supernova SN1987A has to be 168,000 light years away, so if the speed of light is constant, it must have taken 168,000 years for the light from it to get to us. YEC's have tried to get around that difficulty by postulating that the speed of light was once faster than it is now. Unfortunately, that doesn't help their case at all because, if the speed of light was once faster than it is now, the supernova remnant would have to be much larger and much farther away than we now think it is. So much farther away, in fact, that even assuming that the speed of light were once much higher than it now is, it can be shown mathematically that it would have taken even longer for the light from it to get to us than we now think it did. Furthermore, the faster we postulate that the speed of light once was, the worse it looks for YEC! Of course LittleNipper will not understand or even try to understand the math involved, but any mathematically competent person will immediately see just how untenable the YEC position is if they take a look at that video.
LittleNipper wrote:Actually, what Creationists say is that God first made light and later created a source of that light. God also spread the universe out as a curtain. The Bible is way ahead of such problems as light years. And yet when it was written, only God knew that light isn't instantaneous.
And most people, myself included--and even some creationists find that explanation hilariously irrational, and here is an irrefutable expose of just how hilariously irrational it is: Why Young Earth Creationists Must Deny Gravity, Part 1. Be sure to watch all 5 parts.
Of course I realize that LittleNipper will not bother to even look at this, and even if he does, he will just do the equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears and saying "nya nya, I don't hear you", or cut and paste another wall of Creationist bovine excrement that doesn't even begin to honestly address the evidence and arguments presented, and only serves to further underscore the inherent irrationality and duplicity of YEC, but perhaps others viewing them will find them useful and informative.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Franktalk wrote:... I do not believe in supernatural powers. It is my belief that there are advanced beings that have been around for eternity. I also believe these beings know everything that can be known.
"I do not believe in equivocation. I express this in a manner that is indistinguishable from equivocation."
The CCC wrote:While we do expect some modifications to our currant understanding of science it is unlikely to them to be dashed to pieces.
Thank you for verifying my statements. But it is not your fault. This is the way you were taught. Very few can break the bonds of the traditions of their fathers.
Few, like you, can also break from their delusions.
I went to see Jack Horner speak recently here in Vegas (at the Flamingo Library). It was geared towards kids, but I enjoyed it much more than my son did.
One of the things he talked about in his presentation are the various methods employed, and the successes and failures they've had in trying to "bring back" dinosaurs.
Seems rather strange that a deity would leave genes inside a chicken that activate physical characteristics of dinosaurs. I reckon He works in very mysterious ways.
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
Doctor Steuss wrote:I went to see Jack Horner speak recently here in Vegas (at the Flamingo Library). It was geared towards kids, but I enjoyed it much more than my son did.
One of the things he talked about in his presentation are the various methods employed, and the successes and failures they've had in trying to "bring back" dinosaurs.
Seems rather strange that a deity would leave genes inside a chicken that activate physical characteristics of dinosaurs. I reckon He works in very mysterious ways.
Wow! That must have been a great speech to hear. I would love to attend one of his speaking engagements if he comes anywhere near. I understand his group is having some interesting successes in back-engineering chickens to dinosaurs. A brilliant idea.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Quasimodo wrote:Wow! That must have been a great speech to hear. I would love to attend one of his speaking engagements if he comes anywhere near. I understand his group is having some interesting successes in back-engineering chickens to dinosaurs. A brilliant idea.
If you ever go to one of his engagements, and there are kids there; definitely stick around for the question and answer session. Kids ask some hilarious questions, and he is a natural at responding.
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
Quasimodo wrote:Wow! That must have been a great speech to hear. I would love to attend one of his speaking engagements if he comes anywhere near. I understand his group is having some interesting successes in back-engineering chickens to dinosaurs. A brilliant idea.
If you ever go to one of his engagements, and there are kids there; definitely stick around for the question and answer session. Kids ask some hilarious questions, and he is a natural at responding.
At a Jack Horner lecture, I would stay until someone announced that "Jack has left the building."
I would be interested in hearing anything and everything he had to say. He's a very interesting guy.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
LittleNipper wrote:The white elephant in the room (though a bad analogy) is GOD. You idolize TIME as your god and have pushed away any belief in an eternal Creator Lord who outshines time. The biblical account stands firm in GOD. Your god Time is as shifting as you are --- wavering back and forth...
I cannot see how God could be pushed away by time. God is eternal and a billion years of creation is as a moment to him.
LittleNipper wrote:The white elephant in the room (though a bad analogy) is GOD. You idolize TIME as your god and have pushed away any belief in an eternal Creator Lord who outshines time. The biblical account stands firm in GOD. Your god Time is as shifting as you are --- wavering back and forth...
Huckleberry is right. Whatever the actual age of the universe is has not the slightest bearing on whether or not God exists. Anyone, whether atheist or not, who argues that a 13.72 billion year old universe would, by itself, preclude the possibility that God or gods exist, is making an extremely silly argument. That the mere fact that the biblical account stands firm in belief in God is enough to prove the existence of God is at least equally silly.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
