Biden vs. Trump

[_Jersey Girl]

Would anyone like to take a stab at explaining Trump's Proud Boys response? Like WTF did that mean exactly?

[_Some Schmo]

Biden needs to stop responding to Trump's baiting remarks by laughing especially when discussing topics like Covid-19.

I mostly agree with your comments on the debate but I disagree here. Laughing at the idiotic things Trump was saying was the very best he could do, because to follow him down his various idiotic rabbit holes would have been death.

One of the biggest issues of the Trump presidency is people taking that fu-cking moron seriously. More public figures need to come out and laugh at what a moron he is like Biden did tonight. It is by far the most appropriate response to 90% of what the idjit says.

[_Some Schmo]

I don't think this debate moves the needle one way or the other, not one bit. Everyone's mind is made up. I don't fu-cking believe anyone is undecided at this point. That's total BS. If you care enough to vote, you know who you're voting for.

[_Jersey Girl]

Biden needs to stop responding to Trump's baiting remarks by laughing especially when discussing topics like Covid-19.

I mostly agree with your comments on the debate but I disagree here. Laughing at the idiotic things Trump was saying was the very best he could do, because to follow him down his various idiotic rabbit holes would have been death.

One of the biggest issues of the Trump presidency is people taking that fu-cking moron seriously. More public figures need to come out and laugh at what a moron he is like Biden did tonight. It is by far the most appropriate response to 90% of what the idjit says.

I would've been okay with most of the laughing but I thought it was over done but maybe that's his way of coping instead of responding in kind.

I did like it when he asked Trump to shut up. Not very presidential but yeah, no one ever speaks to Trump that way and he totally deserved it.

I would have liked to see Kamala debate Trump but of course, that's not gonna happen.

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't think this debate moves the needle one way or the other, not one bit. Everyone's mind is made up. I don't fu-cking believe anyone is undecided at this point. That's total BS. If you care enough to vote, you know who you're voting for.

I find it hard to believe that anyone is undecided as well. If people don't know what they're in for with either candidate, then they don't know anything at all or like you said, they don't take it seriously to start with.

If anyone had told me even 10 years ago that I'd be following, inquiring about, and commenting on politics, I would have said they were crazy. Yet, here I am invested up to my eyeballs.

[_Jersey Girl]

Would anyone like to take a stab at explaining Trump's Proud Boys response? Like WTF did that mean exactly?

No takers on this one yet? I thought it was the lowest point of the "debate" on Trump's part. Not that I consider what I witnessed a debate at all.

[_Gunnar]

Would anyone like to take a stab at explaining Trump's Proud Boys response? Like WTF did that mean exactly?

Obviously he stands by the Proud Boys and refuses to condemn their violence. He said he would advise them to stand by and stand back, but there is no chance he would object to or condemn them participating in violence, even if they were first to initiate it.

I watched a portion of NPR now today, and they were reporting how RNC operatives were converging on places designated for early voters to drop off their ballots in order to harass and intimidate these early voters. Other voters have reported getting telephone calls from people claiming to represent RNC trying to discourage them from applying for mail in or absentee ballots by claiming that by sending in such applications, their names could be turned in to organizations like collection agencies or others, making them more vulnerable to undesirable harassment.

Trump, of course, claims this is all fake news. Nothing is a more reliable indication of some truth embarrassing to Trump than for Trump to call it "fake news."

[_honorentheos]

I don't think this debate moves the needle one way or the other, not one bit. Everyone's mind is made up. I don't fu-cking believe anyone is undecided at this point. That's total BS. If you care enough to vote, you know who you're voting for.

While I agree, I think debates like this do influence how motivated people feel about actually voting. So it has influence on the outcome through demotivating people. And that matters when 10,000 people in Wisconsin or 20,000 people in Pennsylvania could decide the election.

[_honorentheos]

Would anyone like to take a stab at explaining Trump's Proud Boys response? Like WTF did that mean exactly?

No takers on this one yet? I thought it was the lowest point of the "debate" on Trump's part. Not that I consider what I witnessed a debate at all.

It would take some mind reading to answer, lacking which I have no idea what he meant. It was certainly crazy that he said it, though it's possible he didn't mean to say stand by...but in conjunction with his call to arms for his supporters to show up and "monitor" polling places it's certainly ominous.

I'd put that (the call for his supporters to show up and police polling stations) as the most diabolical statement I've heard said by a US President, ever. It ranks worse than even the march to war by the Bush administration as it is blatant disregard of our Democracy and corrosive to the rule of law within our own borders. I was, and am, livid over that statement.

[_Some Schmo]

While I agree, I think debates like this do influence how motivated people feel about actually voting. So it has influence on the outcome through demotivating people. And that matters when 10,000 people in Wisconsin or 20,000 people in Pennsylvania could decide the election.

Yeah, maybe. Last night was more motivation to vote for me, but I realize I'm not a typical American.

One thing that was encouraging is that apparently, the Biden campaign saw a huge bump in fundraising last night after the debate. That sounds like I'm not the only one who was energized against Trump last night.

But honestly, I find myself a bit resigned. I'm ready to leave the country (promised my wife, in fact) if Trump finds a way to stay in office. This is not your typical post-election threat; we will do it If Trump is still in office Jan 21. We've moved to a foreign country before, we can do it again. Our current living situation is temporary as we wait for the outcome this November - January.

Trump's already made the US into a sh-ithole, so if he's given the chance to completely run it into the ground, I'll let the idiot "proud boys" have it. They seem to like living in trash anyway.