DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:07 am
Marcus wrote:
Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:31 pm
You'll notice that Peterson accidently left Hardy's footnote superscript "9" in his plagiarized part, even though he included the content of Hardy's footnote. He remembered to remove the superscript "8" however, but he put in the page number 73 which is from Hardy's footnote 7, not 8. These errors show his clear intent to plagiarize.

In the end this is a disgraceful plagiarism, yet another in a long list of Peterson's plagiarisms.
I’d argue that not cleaning up his copy/pastes also shows his laziness...
Yes it does!

However, it does take some effort to type "when I was growing up" and then insert Hardy's words, as he did below. As a reminder, the blue is exact plagiarism, but he has also copied Hardy's ideas throughout, clearly:
Peterson wrote:When I was growing up, though, Columbus appears to have been generally seen as led by science, reason, and restlessness, and, perhaps most importantly, by greed and a lust for conquest. By the early 1990s, however, historian Pauline Watts had taken a new look at his motivations, arguing persuasively that Columbus was in fact deeply influenced by prophecy and revelation. [See especially Pauline Watts, “Prophecy and Discovery: On the Spiritual Origins of Christopher Columbus’s ‘Enterprise of the Indies,”’ American Historical Review (February 1985): 73-102.]
Here's where he plagiarized that from. I put Hardy's exact words in blue that Peterson plagiarized:
Dominant historical opinion, on the other hand, has seen Columbus led by science, reason, restlessness, and conquest. Recently, historian Pauline Watts has taken a new look at this issue and argues persuasively that Columbus was in fact deeply influenced by prophecy and revelation.1

Ftnote 1:Pauline Watts, "Prophecy and Discovery: On the Spiritual Origins of Christopher Columbus's 'Enterprise of the Indies/ " American Historical Review (February 1985): 73-102.

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In the end though, you are absolutely correct. Not only does Peterson take shortcuts by stealing other people's intellectual output, he's also lazy in cleaning up his trail. He leaves superscripts, double words, grammatical errors, and all sorts of other clues that he is plagiarizing.

One might almost suspect he is doing it now for attention, because how can he possibly think he would not be caught?
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I can’t help but wonder: What do the other Interpreter Board Members think of this? What does Jack Welch think of this? FAIR Mormon? Patheos? Do they not know? Or do they not care? Those would seem to be the only options here.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:40 am
I can’t help but wonder: What do the other Interpreter Board Members think of this? What does Jack Welch think of this? FAIR Mormon? Patheos? Do they not know? Or do they not care? Those would seem to be the only options here.
Remember, they all have the Melchizedek Priesthood of God. The mere rules that apply to men and women do not apply to the Melchizedek Priesthood when it is doing the work of the Lord. Therefore, plagiarism, so long as it builds the Kingdom of God, is most assuredly blessed of the Lord.
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Just F-ing attribute your sources. It's such a problem that it's clearly deliberate.
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm
One might almost suspect he is doing it now for attention, because how can he possibly think he would not be caught?
Plagiarism isn’t something DCP has an issue doing. Most scholars, caught once, would have the integrity to move heaven and earth to ensure they were never found to have done it again. Even if the plagiarism is as a result of carelessness or working on the confines of a phone, or rushing etc a scholar wouldn’t allow themselves to ever be caught again. Peterson simply doesn’t care that he commits plagiarism, however it comes about. So what does that say about his character?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 5:50 am
Just F-ing attribute your sources. It's such a problem that it's clearly deliberate.
The best that can be said is that he doesn’t care about committing plagiarism. It’s not a principle he feels is important to uphold, no matter the cause.

At this point, it’s happened so frequently (and we aren’t lucky enough to have recorded all the instances where he’s done it) one has to assume he’s being doing it his whole academic life. I wonder what would be the earliest example of it, high school perhaps?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:15 am
Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 5:50 am
Just F-ing attribute your sources. It's such a problem that it's clearly deliberate.
The best that can be said is that he doesn’t care about committing plagiarism. It’s not a principle he feels is important to uphold, no matter the cause.

At this point, it’s happened so frequently (and we aren’t lucky enough to have recorded all the instances where he’s done it) one has to assume he’s being doing it his whole academic life. I wonder what would be the earliest example of it, high school perhaps?
I still have the theory that they can't see it as plagiarism. Mormonism are tight knit, clicky groups that interpret the world differently. As some have said , if it is faith promoting almost anything goes. But remember Mormonism is parasitic from the leaders perspective. They will draw every conceivable amount of positive information and broadcast far and wide to the world but the second the host becomes hostile or even apathetic they kill the host.
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Ditto Copy Pasterson is a lazy slow learner and a fast forgetter.
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:01 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:15 am
The best that can be said is that he doesn’t care about committing plagiarism. It’s not a principle he feels is important to uphold, no matter the cause.

At this point, it’s happened so frequently (and we aren’t lucky enough to have recorded all the instances where he’s done it) one has to assume he’s being doing it his whole academic life. I wonder what would be the earliest example of it, high school perhaps?
I still have the theory that they can't see it as plagiarism. Mormonism are tight knit, clicky groups that interpret the world differently. As some have said , if it is faith promoting almost anything goes. But remember Mormonism is parasitic from the leaders perspective. They will draw every conceivable amount of positive information and broadcast far and wide to the world but the second the host becomes hostile or even apathetic they kill the host.
Those are fair points. But I don’t know another Mormon so-called “scholar” that plagiarises. Peterson stands apart as a prolific plagiariser. He’s a serial offender, and he knows he’s a serial offender. He justifies it by thinking “it’s just a blog, so scholarly standards don’t apply”.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:10 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:01 am


I still have the theory that they can't see it as plagiarism. Mormonism are tight knit, clicky groups that interpret the world differently. As some have said , if it is faith promoting almost anything goes. But remember Mormonism is parasitic from the leaders perspective. They will draw every conceivable amount of positive information and broadcast far and wide to the world but the second the host becomes hostile or even apathetic they kill the host.
Those are fair points. But I don’t know another Mormon so-called “scholar” that plagiarises. Peterson stands apart as a prolific plagiariser. He’s a serial offender, and he knows he’s a serial offender. He justifies it by thinking “it’s just a blog, so scholarly standards don’t apply”.
Since his blog is monetized, it’s unethical and it’s stealing other people’s work for personal financial gain. No matter how small, that’s what he’s doing.

I think it indicates how little he values personal, moral, and intellectual integrity, and that shows in his apologetic work. If he can spread lies which promote Mormonism, he’s more than happy to do so.
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