Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_consiglieri]

(I just love circumnavigating software.)

Nevertheless, please don't do it again. Ever.

Roger that, tomodachi.

[_consiglieri]

I would like to remind Consiglieri that using that word is a slippery path to the F word.

Hope that helps.

My recent commitment to Dr. Shades prohibits me from doing another test . . .

[_Doctor Scratch]

The great unresolved question here has to do with the BYU "academics" that are apparently "amused" by Will's online antics. We already know that Dr. Louis Midgley is among this "circle," but who else? Prior to chickening out form the thread, "[Maxwell's] Silver Hammer" tried very hard to make it seem as if Will was being "deliberately ambiguous" about the question of whether or not the Maxwell Institute apologists have been "yukking it up" over his blatantly misogynist language, and when Silver Hammer was asked point-blank whether he approved of the language or not, he dodged the question.

Regardless, as Liz points out, this will likely reach the Brethren eventually, at which point Will, Midgley, and the rest of the "circle" will have a lot of explaining to do.

[_consiglieri]

Very interesting.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Whoa, Wade!

Your altering of my "test" to substitute harmony's name was quite a shock, especially coming from you.

I guess I'll be seeing you in hell.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Trevor]

My feeling is that if the LDS apologetic community is comfortable "hitching themselves to Will's star" then it won't be long before the Church completely disengages any type of official association with them.

Interesting that you believe that. I have seen nothing that would support this prediction.

I know for a fact that the brethren would not be pleased with the Church being represented, or rather grossly misrepresented in this way.

Well, one would certainly hope, but, again, you might be surprised.

Eventually, it will come down to economics. Funding for MI still falls under Brigham Young University's umbrella. Who is on the Board of Directors for Brigham Young University? Why, the Quorum of the 12 are!

There will be absolutely no blowback whatsoever.

When the Quorum of the 12 gets wind of this situation...and they will...Brother Schryver will, at the very least, be asked to discontinue any type of contact with these message boards in order for funding to continue.

I don't think they will care all that much. If it mattered, it would have mattered already. Clearly it does not.

This could all be avoided if Will would simply publicly apologize for his previous behavior and move on with future civil discourse. However, that is obviously not happening.

You've got that right.

Dan Peterson is the only person who I think could have any affect at all on Will's future actions. It will be interesting to see what he has to say when he returns from traveling.

I personally have seen no indication that Daniel Peterson plans on doing anything about it. He has known about it all for some time. It has been brought to his attention. Impact? None.

Hey, it is in matters like this that people show us who they really are. I have found the whole thing educational. I got out of it all I could have possibly hoped for.

[_Will Schryver]

In looking at that thread, there were personal attacks flying everywhere...not just at Harmony.

You mean I didn't lash out at harmony out of a clear blue sky for being a shameless hypocritical apostate? Imagine that ...

I think that Harmony was trying to be as balanced as she could given all that was going on in that thread.

Horses***! Harmony is and always has been a completely biased moderator on this board, as Eric and others have long observed. Harmony is an agenda-driven, deceitful anti-Mormon wretch. At least her message board persona is. I have no idea what she's like with her grandkids and neighbors. She's probably a very pleasant and personable lady. But I only interact with her here, and here, in my opinion, she is an agenda-driven, deceitful anti-Mormon wretch.

What certainly does come to bear at the crux of all of this is that Will has an extremely volatile online personality.

Volatile? Not hardly. Extraordinarily consistent from 2006 until the present time is a much more accurate description.

One is able to draw his/her own conclusions resoundingly well based on Will's own self-proclaimed writings which are not in any type of dispute.

This is true. It has been done by several people in the past week, much to the permanent discredit of the inmates of the GSTP, and to my personal exoneration of the spurious allegations made against me.

(Again, thanks, MsJack. You have performed an inestimable service in my behalf!)

My feeling is that if the LDS apologetic community is comfortable "hitching themselves to Will's star" then it won't be long before the Church completely disengages any type of official association with them.

I know for a fact that the brethren would not be pleased with the Church being represented, or rather grossly misrepresented in this way.

Eventually, it will come down to economics. Funding for MI still falls under Brigham Young University's umbrella. Who is on the Board of Directors for Brigham Young University? Why, the Quorum of the 12 are!

When the Quorum of the 12 gets wind of this situation...and they will...Brother Schryver will, at the very least, be asked to discontinue any type of contact with these message boards in order for funding to continue.

More GSTP delusions of grandeur run amok!

Oh, my!

You people have now passed delusional and are flying off the cliff to total lunacy--it is mind-boggling.

This could all be avoided if Will would simply publicly apologize for his previous behavior and move on with future civil discourse. However, that is obviously not happening.

What a joke! If I spent the rest of today crafting a ten-page-long elaborate "apology" for every apostate evangelist I have ever "offended," I guaran-damn-tee you that tomorrow morning, business as usual would resume, and a brand new "Crucify Schryver" thread would be inaugurated by someone here.

You see, none of this has ANYTHING to do with my alleged vulgarity, or misogyny, or anything of the sort. It never has. It has everything to do with the fundamental conflict inherent to the apologist/apostate dynamic. I am simply one of the more eloquent and incisive online defenders of Mormonism--and one of the very few who has ventured into this cesspool of apostate excess in order to confront (and often mercilessly mock) the apostate evangelists that congregate here. Thus I have become your favorite target--a distinction/honor I have come to embrace.

Dan Peterson is the only person who I think could have any affect (sic) at all on Will's future actions. It will be interesting to see what he has to say when he returns from traveling.

I am quite confident that Dan Peterson has a very clear perspective on what has gone on here. And, I simply cannot wait until he gets a chance to read this thread.

Quite simply, in the history of the GSTP, this may very well be the GREATEST ... THREAD ... EVER.

LOL!

Oh, you people never cease to amaze me ...

[_3sheets2thewind]

jon:

Yes. Yes, I did write that. Of course, it’s divorced from its context, like everything else has been. In its original context, it’s abundantly clear that it is a tongue-in-cheek (albeit sharply barbed) remark. But, no matter. It’s funny even on its own. A bit rough and cutting? Oh, yes. It was meant to be.

Now, were harmony a typical example of what is good and honorable among women, things would be different. But she’s not. She’s a lying apostate shrew who takes every opportunity to denigrate Mormonism, its founder, and its adherents.

At any rate, I am and always have been an "equal opportunity" trash talker. I don't discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, or gender. In fact, I'm quite certain I have directed far more invective, percentage-wise, towards the men here than I ever have the women.

and this just shows what a horrible person you are. You defender of the Gospel but in doing so you expose yourself a great and abominable hypocrite.

Nothing justifies claiming a woman allows herself to be masturbated on by numerous men at the same time.

You are horrible person, and a damned hypocrite. You do a disservice to the LDS Church with you blatant and arrogant hypocrisy.

hopefully one day you will repent and become an example of what is good about the LDS Church.

Ever since first reading your tripe on MADB, I have not liked you. You are worse than any person Jesus spoke ill of. Clean the vessel within, you hypocrite.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Dan Peterson is the only person who I think could have any affect at all on Will's future actions. It will be interesting to see what he has to say when he returns from traveling.

I personally have seen no indication that Daniel Peterson plans on doing anything about it. He has known about it all for some time. It has been brought to his attention. Impact? None.

Hey, it is in matters like this that people show us who they really are. I have found the whole thing educational. I got out of it all I could have possibly hoped for.

I'll put money on it that DCP thinks Will is funny. I'll bet anything that Dan Peterson laughs at a lot of Will's posts, and that he thinks most of the female posters "deserve it." When he eventually gets around to responding on this thread (as he inevitably will), just watch his reaction. Will he issue a condemnation of Will's antics? No. Instead, he will, at most, say something like, "I wouldn't have done things that way," or else he'll do something akin to what Silver Hammer did: just try to cover the MI's butt.

[_Will Schryver]

/snip/

Trevor, we obviously have our differences, but I at least commend you for having a mountain of common sense more than most of the people here.

The tempest in a teapot that is the GSTP from day to day is of no interest to anyone outside these virtual walls.

[Guest]

The great unresolved question here has to do with the BYU "academics" that are apparently "amused" by Will's online antics. We already know that Dr. Louis Midgley is among this "circle," but who else? Prior to chickening out form the thread, "[Maxwell's] Silver Hammer" tried very hard to make it seem as if Will was being "deliberately ambiguous" about the question of whether or not the Maxwell Institute apologists have been "yukking it up" over his blatantly misogynist language, and when Silver Hammer was asked point-blank whether he approved of the language or not, he dodged the question.

Regardless, as Liz points out, this will likely reach the Brethren eventually, at which point Will, Midgley, and the rest of the "circle" will have a lot of explaining to do.

Listen, I think everyone is being extremely naïve in imagining that anything will come of all of this. "The Brethren" are not going to do anything about it. LDS apologetics will continue on this path as long as the people who have cultivated this environment continue to exercise influence. If the prophet can't prevent an apostle from publishing his book, or calling up a stake president to lean on him to excommunicate someone, then you better believe that no one is going to limit these shenanigans.

My guess is that this stuff is not taken at all seriously. Indeed, as Nomad once claimed, I bet there are people who are chuckling about it over brunch in the COB right now. I think it is marvelous that there are genuinely good LDS people who care about how women are treated online, but I would certainly not assume that this indicates anything about the likelihood of anyone with any authority taking any action against a couple of apologists.

And, think of it this way, my fellow apostates still on the rolls of the LDS Church: if the Brethren start caring about this, maybe they will also start taking interest in your activities here as well. Are you really all that anxious for the Brethren to police this? Which outcome do you think is more likely? When is the last time you saw a loyal apologist disciplined in a way that would embarrass that apologist or the Church? Now think of the last time a decent fellow who somehow challenged the authority or claims of the LDS Church in public was disciplined and/or had his reputation in LDS society destroyed.

S/he who has ears, let him/her hear.