KEP Dictation Argument: The Evidence

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Pa Pa wrote:You know we have a mutual friend…Matt Ledbetter, and I hear you may move here. But if you mess with his testimony, you mess with me.


So if someone has a testimony that the earth is flat, no one should mess with it?

You are a Mormonism addict -trapped in your delusions.
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Kevin Graham wrote:If Matt's testimony is struggling, it isn't because of anything I've said.

I was joking...I seem to suck at joking as of late and I used to be so good at it. Matt is fine...just letting you know we have a mutual friend.
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Ray A wrote:
Pa Pa wrote:You know we have a mutual friend…Matt Ledbetter, and I hear you may move here. But if you mess with his testimony, you mess with me.


So if someone has a testimony that the earth is flat, no one should mess with it?

You are a Mormonism addict -trapped in your delusions.

Of Course...you are so wise. I will leave the church now.
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Pa Pa wrote:You know we have a mutual friend…Matt Ledbetter, and I hear you may move here. But if you mess with his testimony, you mess with me.
Ray A wrote:So if someone has a testimony that the earth is flat, no one should mess with it?

You are a Mormonism addict -trapped in your delusions.
Pa Pa wrote:Of Course...you are so wise. I will leave the church now.

That would be the logical next step to take.
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That would be the logical next step to take.


Even William Schyrver admits that Joseph Smith got confused in his manmade revelations and didn't know up from down.

Consider a pompous bishop telling a member that he is inspired by the Lord to extend a call working with the youth and does so in the name of Jesus Christ. Then, the member tells the bishop that he works evening shift during the week and wouldn't be able to attend youth meetings as such. Was the bishop inspired by God and justified in invoking the name of Jesus Christ while making the call?

How about the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3? Are they inspired translations and given by Jesus Christ? You see, Mormon revelation is continuously flawed, starting with Joe Smith and the bishops today who abuse the word "revelation" to satisfy their egos.

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Paul Osborne wrote:
Consider a pompous bishop telling a member that he is inspired by the Lord to extend a call working with the youth and does so in the name of Jesus Christ. Then, the member tells the bishop that he works evening shift during the week and wouldn't be able to attend youth meetings as such. Was the bishop inspired by God and justified in invoking the name of Jesus Christ while making the call?


Old Testament: this reminds me of when I was at BYU Law School and living in Pleasant Grove. I had been teaching Sunday School, which I actually enjoyed. Then the Bishopric "extended a calling" to me to be the new Scoutmaster. This was right before I was leaving for the entire summer for a job out of state. I had never been a Scout as a kid or had a calling in the scouting program in the more than ten years I had been in the church. Somehow, Kolobian Jesus had inspired these three knuckleheads to give me a calling I couldn't possibly fulfill even if I wanted to and for which I had absolutely zero qualifications. Miraculously, they were able to find someone else to fill the spot. I guess it was like a localized version of the Book of Mormon copyright revelation.
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Old Testament: this reminds me of when I was at BYU Law School and living in Pleasant Grove. I had been teaching Sunday School, which I actually enjoyed. Then the Bishopric "extended a calling" to me to be the new Scoutmaster. This was right before I was leaving for the entire summer for a job out of state. I had never been a Scout as a kid or had a calling in the scouting program in the more than ten years I had been in the church. Somehow, Kolobian Jesus had inspired these three knuckleheads to give me a calling I couldn't possibly fulfill even if I wanted to and for which I had absolutely zero qualifications. Miraculously, they were able to find someone else to fill the spot. I guess it was like a localized version of the Book of Mormon copyright revelation.


That bishoprick was not inspired of God to call you to that position. They had zero influence from a Supreme Being to try and convince you that you were called of Jesus Christ to be dubbed a scoutmaster. The bishoprick was no more inspired to translate what they thought was the will of God than Joe Smith was regarding the Egyptian writing in Facsimile No. 3. Both of those revelations were false. Any explanation the bishoprick offered to excuse their false revelations was born of pride and is the kind of stuff the LDS church is made up of.

William Schryver! Come forth you dog! Tell me the name of the king in Facsimile No. 3. At least tell me his cipher name -- please, pretty please, with sugar on top.

LOL! Joseph Smith was a liar! Read my lips: "L I A R". Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are a Mormon fraud presented as official canon by the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All Mormons must believe there is a king's name in the Facsimile or face the wrath of Joe Smith on the astral pimp plane -- the same place William Schyrver was when he was dropping acid in his earlier days.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mr. William "Gookie Cookie" Schryver's "thesis" is nonsense.

Coming from you, this is hardly much of a condemnation. While I haven't read many of your posts over the years, you have never impressed me as having anything more than merely average intelligence. While I don’t agree with much said by the apostates on this board, at least some of them come across as having a moderate level of education and intellect. You are not one of them. That’s why your only recourse to dealing with Schryver’s KEP arguments is to call them nonsense and challenge him to personal combat. I bet you suffer from a standard case of Napoleon Complex, and have probably spent your life secretly wishing you could be taller and smarter than you really are.

But I digress. My point in posting today is to relate a very interesting development that I heard about from a former member of my local ward who now lives in the vicinity of Hartford, CT. He had occasion recently to attend a meeting where Elder Marlin K. Jensen spoke. Elder Jensen took questions from the audience afterwards. One of the questions concerned the Book of Abraham controversy. In response, Elder Jensen referred to what he termed "soon-to-be-published studies" showing that the amount of papyri we have now is only a small fraction of what Joseph Smith had originally. Then he recommended that the questioner view the online video of William Schryver’s KEP presentation from the FAIR conference in order to understand the relationship of the KEP to the production of the Book of Abraham. My friend had never even known there was a controversy about the the Book of Abraham, but knew that I was interested in that kind of stuff, so he e-mailed me and asked if I had heard about any of this. Well, that turned into a rather long conversation. He had no idea that I know Schryver through the occasional overlap of our professional work.

Anyway, I thought it was significant that the Schryver’s KEP theories have evidently managed to persuade the church historian enough to recommend his FAIR presentation to a questioner.

Elder Jensen also recommended (in response to a different questioner) Greg Smith’s polygamy paper from the 2009 FAIR conference. Sounds like FAIR still in the “good graces” of at least some of the general authorities.
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Nomad wrote:My point in posting today is to relate a very interesting development that I heard about from a former member of my local ward who now lives in the vicinity of Hartford, CT. He had occasion recently to attend a meeting where Elder Marlin K. Jensen spoke. Elder Jensen took questions from the audience afterwards. One of the questions concerned the Book of Abraham controversy. In response, Elder Jensen referred to what he termed "soon-to-be-published studies" showing that the amount of papyri we have now is only a small fraction of what Joseph Smith had originally. Then he recommended that the questioner view the online video of William Schryver’s KEP presentation from the FAIR conference in order to understand the relationship of the KEP to the production of the Book of Abraham. My friend had never even known there was a controversy about the the Book of Abraham, but knew that I was interested in that kind of stuff, so he e-mailed me and asked if I had heard about any of this. Well, that turned into a rather long conversation. He had no idea that I know Schryver through the occasional overlap of our professional work.

Anyway, I thought it was significant that the Schryver’s KEP theories have evidently managed to persuade the church historian enough to recommend his FAIR presentation to a questioner.

Elder Jensen also recommended (in response to a different questioner) Greg Smith’s polygamy paper from the 2009 FAIR conference. Sounds like FAIR still in the “good graces” of at least some of the general authorities.


Nomad,

Thanks for sharing this new information. As will be no surprise, I have a few questions.

1-Did Elder Jensen say where on Facsimile No. 3 are the Egyptian characters for the name "Shulem"?

2-Did Elder Jensen explain why the only hieratic appearing on the restored Facsimile No. 2 are those characters drawn from the Sensen papyri put by Joseph Smith in those portions that were damaged and missing, and have been restored, while all the original Egyptian characters that survived as part of Facsimile No. 2 are hieroglyphic characters? Related question, did he venture an opinion on whether Joseph Smith even knew the difference between hieratic and hieroglyphic characters?

3-Did Elder Jensen explain why no part of the Explanation to Facsimile No. 2 includes attempts at what the Egyptian characters translate to read in English, just interpretations of the pictograph portions?

4-Did Elder Jensen explain how it was that the System of astronomy only unfolded to Joseph Smith and his scribes on October 1, 1835 if as Will posits, the BoAbr, including Chapter 3 (the astronomy) was completed before the end of July 1835 when the 'subsequent' EA&G was begun?

5-Did Elder Jensen tell those in attendance that once you peer through all the shrubbery that Will filled his 50 minutes at FAIR with, Will's claims that the EA&G came after an already completed BoAbr text is that the BoAbr text has a more developed story line than the EA&G (and that Will has yet to counter the point that such is to be expected if the EA&G were developed first, along the lines of working papers leading the BoAbr)?

6-Did Elder Jensen say when the COJCOLDS would make all the KEP documents open for public inspection and photographing? Or, conversely, did he explain why the COJCOLDS does not make them public?

7-Did Elder Jensen join in Will's opinion that he (Elder Jensen) would not be surprised if the Facsimiles are someday removed from the canon scripture, despite Abr 1:12 inextricably linking them?

8-Did Elder Jensen explain why there is so much repetition of concepts in Abr 1:1-3 as compared to the rest of Abr, and how that was the only part penned by W W Phelps, and how that mimics the progressions found in the five degrees of the GAEL, but in the parts of penned by other scribes, there is no such correlation in the Abr text?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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