Outing Annonymous Posters

[_rcrocket]

Either you *did* do something akin to what Liz described, or you lied about it. Which is it, Bishop Bob?

Neither. The PMs GoodK posted really speak for themselves, so you can judge for yourself whether I told GoodK that I had, or was going to in the future, notify the father.

Huh? The PMs simply mention a "*****" to whom you forwarded the message. You stated that you'd gone ahead and forwarded the message without first asking permission. Not very nice, Bishop Bob!

Well, you'll be the first one I'll consult when it comes to ethics, you who insists upon defaming the professional reputations of living persons -- anonymously.

[_Yoda]

For the record, the reason for me wishing to be annonymous and use the avatar "GoodK" (at MADB, before I even knew of this place) is not because I am a coward, not because I am worried about members who live around me and what they might say or think, it is not because I am a hypocrite and really do go to church on Sundays, it is only because my father is well known in the LDS apologetic community, and I have met and conversed with many of his friends.

I did not want to somehow tarnish his credibility or any future opportunity he might have with FARMS, that is all.

That's perfectly understandable....to everyone except Bob, I venture. ;)

[_Mister Scratch]

For the record, the reason for me wishing to be annonymous and use the avatar "GoodK" (at MADB, before I even knew of this place) is not because I am a coward, not because I am worried about members who live around me and what they might say or think, it is not because I am a hypocrite and really do go to church on Sundays, it is only because my father is well known in the LDS apologetic community, and I have met and conversed with many of his friends.

I did not want to somehow tarnish his credibility or any future opportunity he might have with FARMS, that is all.

Just out of curiosity: Why would this harm a Mopologist's "credibility"/"opportunity"? For one thing, DCP has said repeatedly that Mopologists do not gain financially in any way for their apologetics activities. For another, wouldn't it seem natural that a TBM would head into Mopologetics as a means of "undoing" the pain of having an apostate child? (Or is that the reason why credibility might be affected, in your view?)

I have to say, I can't help but be curious about all this, GoodK. I wish you'd share whatever "insider" knowledge you have concerning FARMS and the world of apologetics.

[_Mister Scratch]

Either you *did* do something akin to what Liz described, or you lied about it. Which is it, Bishop Bob?

Neither. The PMs GoodK posted really speak for themselves, so you can judge for yourself whether I told GoodK that I had, or was going to in the future, notify the father.

Huh? The PMs simply mention a "*****" to whom you forwarded the message. You stated that you'd gone ahead and forwarded the message without first asking permission. Not very nice, Bishop Bob!

Well, you'll be the first one I'll consult when it comes to ethics, you who insists upon defaming the professional reputations of living persons -- anonymously.

Whose "professional reputations" are you referring to, Bob? Are you saying that Mopologetics can be considered a "profession"?

[_GoodK]

Just out of curiosity: Why would this harm a Mopologist's "credibility"/"opportunity"?
For one thing, DCP has said repeatedly that Mopologists do not gain financially in any way for their apologetics activities.

Did he really? What does Dan do besides Mopology?

Of course they gain financially from apologetic activities, even small time contributors to the FARMS review. He should at least be able to admit that.

For another, wouldn't it seem natural that a TBM would head into Mopologetics as a means of "undoing" the pain of having an apostate child? (Or is that the reason why credibility might be affected, in your view?)

I'm sure other TBM's know of his "apostate" child, but I think that knowledge is more confined to members in the So Cal area. When I met Sorenson and DCP, things were a bit different and I certainly would not have been greeted or treated the way I was if I was known to be an "apostate child."

I have to say, I can't help but be curious about all this, GoodK. I wish you'd share whatever "insider" knowledge you have concerning FARMS and the world of apologetics.

I would be glad to let you in on everything I know, Scratch, but just because I'm one of your fans.

Send me a PM if you have any specific questions you'd like me to answer.

[Guest]

GoodK, that was absolutely slimy of crockett to do that! I'm sorry if you posting here caused you family troubles.

It was obvious to me that you weren't poking fun at your family or the situation -- rather the logic (lack thereof) of religion.

[_Dr. Shades]

Of course they gain financially from apologetic activities, even small time contributors to the FARMS review.

WHOA THERE; that's a bombshell! Will you please elaborate?

[_Mister Scratch]

Just out of curiosity: Why would this harm a Mopologist's "credibility"/"opportunity"?
For one thing, DCP has said repeatedly that Mopologists do not gain financially in any way for their apologetics activities.

Did he really? What does Dan do besides Mopology?

Of course they gain financially from apologetic activities, even small time contributors to the FARMS review. He should at least be able to admit that.

What?? No! In fact, this is rather earth-shattering. Mopologists, including DCP, have always sworn up and down that they receive no money whatsoever! Do you know anything else on this, GoodK? E.g., how much are FARMS Review contributors typically paid? What other kinds of "financial gain" to apologists receive?

I have to say, I can't help but be curious about all this, GoodK. I wish you'd share whatever "insider" knowledge you have concerning FARMS and the world of apologetics.

I would be glad to let you in on everything I know, Scratch, but just because I'm one of your fans.

Send me a PM if you have any specific questions you'd like me to answer.

Okay, I will, if I think of anything specific. Really, though, I'm mostly interested in more general details, such as the tidbit about payment above. I mean, that's a pretty rough blow to Mopologists' credibility that they are essentially "doing it for the money."

[_Sam Harris]

Then why did waste the energy to post, Coggins?

To reinforce the commonly held belief that he is just simply a dick?

Oh how did I miss this? LOL

On topic:

Bob, what you did was sh*tty. Plain and simple. Since you're so against anonymity, why don't you post your address and phone number in your sig so that when you annoy us, we can call you personally or send you hate mail? What? Won't do that? Afraid of the threat of some psycho on this board?

Exactly why people have screen names.

GoodK, sorry for what you've had to go through. I don't always agree with your posts, and perhaps the email shouldn't have gotten out the way it did, but Bob needs to understand that he's not a god yet...and if self-righteous prickishness is a hinderance in LDS theology, he and Cog will be planetary roomates in the life to come.

They might get a deserted island between them.

[_GoodK]

Just out of curiosity: Why would this harm a Mopologist's "credibility"/"opportunity"?
For one thing, DCP has said repeatedly that Mopologists do not gain financially in any way for their apologetics activities.

Did he really? What does Dan do besides Mopology?

Of course they gain financially from apologetic activities, even small time contributors to the FARMS review. He should at least be able to admit that.

What?? No! In fact, this is rather earth-shattering. Mopologists, including DCP, have always sworn up and down that they receive no money whatsoever! Do you know anything else on this, GoodK? E.g., how much are FARMS Review contributors typically paid? What other kinds of "financial gain" to apologists receive?

I have to say, I can't help but be curious about all this, GoodK. I wish you'd share whatever "insider" knowledge you have concerning FARMS and the world of apologetics.

I would be glad to let you in on everything I know, Scratch, but just because I'm one of your fans.

Send me a PM if you have any specific questions you'd like me to answer.

Okay, I will, if I think of anything specific. Really, though, I'm mostly interested in more general details, such as the tidbit about payment above. I mean, that's a pretty rough blow to Mopologists' credibility that they are essentially "doing it for the money."

Well, I know that people like my Dad are more content with seeing their name in print, and recieving free books or other publications in return (which he usually does, either because he doesn't need the money or would rather have books anyway), but I am postive they all aren't working for free or for "store credit".

I imagine it depends on who it is, celebrities like DCP probably wield bigger paychecks than the Michael Jibson's (the author of the worst FARMS review ever) but I can try and dig up some more information regarding specific salaries.

(this may be hard, now that my cover has been blown)

But yes, the Earth shattering truth is correct, they don't do it for the Love of the Game, well, at least they all don't do it just for the Love of the Game.

I can't believe DCP would even say that, if I wasn't banned from MADB I would ask him to elaborate on how exactly he is compensated for his time ;)