Martha Nibley Beck back in the news

[_Runtu]

Although it is true that Steve Benson and SLCabbie on the Recovery Board vociferously support Martha, I have seen a number of ex-mo posters disagree. I am among those Droopy is probably referring to in the categories of exmo and countermo, and I do not believe that Beck was molested by Dr. Nibley. I am far from alone in this.

That's pretty much my position. I really don't know what happened, but her story has a lot of holes in it, and there's no corroboration. So, based on the evidence, I'd guess she wasn't abused by her father.

That said, the malice and hatred sent her way by certain apologists is stunning.

[_Droopy]

In her book, From Housewife to Heretic, she claims to have had mystical revelations in which God was revealed to here as a sexless, androgynous being.

And I'm glad your not one of those who assumes the worst about everything and everyone Mormon.

[_truth dancer]

And I know from long experience in forums such as this that exmos and countermos take it for granted that, if the charge is made, its probably true, especially if it involves fashionable victim status and designer psychological theories like Repressed Memory Syndrome.

I have no idea what went on in the Nibley home.

I think it is possible that Hugh sexually abused his daughter, and I think it is possible that Martha is lying.



~danacer~

[_Droopy]

That said, the malice and hatred sent her way by certain apologists is stunning.

Why? Because Christians shouldn't be caught with malice and hatred in their hearts, or because there is a benefit of the doubt many in our culture feel is owed in Oprahworld to what passes in our society for the status of hero, the glorious status of victim? And when the alleged perpetrator is politically correct (a white Christian middle class male), why, how dare anyone question the word of the victim?

Do you really believe that that kind of reaction is not just what Beck counted on?

[_Runtu]

Why? Because Christians shouldn't be caught with malice and hatred in their hearts, or because there is a benefit of the doubt many in our culture feel is owed in Oprahworld to what passes in our society for a hero, the victim?

I would hope no one would have malice and hatred in our hearts, not just Christians. I reject your false dichotomy between hating and owing the benefit of the doubt, but then that dichotomy explains some of your behavior.

Do you really believe that that kind of reaction is just what Beck counted on?

I have no idea of her motivations either way, as I've said on many occasions.

[_Droopy]

I would hope no one would have malice and hatred in our hearts

So would I, but imperfect human beings, when baited and prodded by self aggrandizing, malicious neurotics, can become angry and fire back.

Nibley is the most famous and beloved scholar and defender of the Gospel in the Church. Even I disagree on some things he has taught and said, but defaming his memory for personal gain is well beyond excusable.

In all honesty, and as a recovering alcoholic, I really think that part of the problem is that Beck has spent much of her life thoroughly immersed in the 12 step/codependency culture of human problems that sees all negative life circumstances as mental diseases and/or the consequences of trauma and victimization in childhood. I think that, to some extent, Beck has let this stuff go to her head.

I've seen the effects of taking this theoretical model far too seriously in my own family.

[_Runtu]

So would I, but imperfect human beings, when baited and prodded by self aggrandizing, malicious neurotics, can become angry and fire back.

Well, sure, I've fired back at you, after all. ;)

Nibley is the most famous and beloved scholar and defender of the Gospel in the Church. Even I disagree on some things he has taught and said, but defaming his memory for personal gain is well beyond excusable.

I'm not sure you can say for sure that she did so for personal gain.

In all honesty, and as a recovering alcoholic, I really think that part of the problem is that Beck has spent much of her life thoroughly immersed in the 12 step/codependency culture of human problems that sees all negative life circumstances as mental diseases and/or the consequences of trauma and victimization in childhood. I think that, to some extent, Beck has let this stuff go to her head.

I've seen the effects of taking this theoretical model far too seriously in my own family.

So, really you're saying that Ms. Beck's actions are a result of her acceptance of a certain approach to life. Maybe so. That doesn't justify the hate, though.

[_John Larsen]

And I know from long experience in forums such as this that exmos and countermos take it for granted that, if the charge is made, its probably true, especially if it involves fashionable victim status and designer psychological theories like Repressed Memory Syndrome.

Although it is true that Steve Benson and SLCabbie on the Recovery Board vociferously support Martha, I have seen a number of ex-mo posters disagree. I am among those Droopy is probably referring to in the categories of exmo and countermo, and I do not believe that Beck was molested by Dr. Nibley. I am far from alone in this.

Yes, I had SLCabbie foaming at the mouth at me over this one. I think Martha's a nut and I think it is unlikely (although possible) that she was molested by her father.

[_Droopy]

So, really you're saying that Ms. Beck's actions are a result of her acceptance of a certain approach to life. Maybe so. That doesn't justify the hate, though.

Stop using these rhetorical Trump cards Runtu. I do not hate Martha Beck. I do not respect her and I refuse to tolerate or condone her behavior, but I do not hate her.

[_Runtu]

So, really you're saying that Ms. Beck's actions are a result of her acceptance of a certain approach to life. Maybe so. That doesn't justify the hate, though.

Stop using these rhetorical Trump cards Runtu. I do not hate Martha Beck. I do not respect her and I refuse to tolerate or condone her behavior, but I do not hate her.

I never said you hated her or even implied that.