Who is Selek?

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Re: Who is Selek?

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Bob Loblaw wrote: I have a lot of friends over on MDD, but I've been banned for years. The only unbeliever I've ever known of who was unbanned is Kevin Graham, and that's because he defended Juliann when people were trashing her. How long did that last?


Have you asked your friends to put in a good word for you? Or perhaps you were over the top in your posts against the LDS church. If you notice the names that were mentioned by the poster, these people know each other and they know others on FAIR and probably the moderators too.

Now I know no one. So, if I were banned I would have a problem. But if I attended a FAIR conference and met Juliann, I may reveal who I am and ask to be reinstated. And I would hope for a yes.

I am not a bad guy. :smile:
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Re: Who is Selek?

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Bob Loblaw wrote:
This just shows that Calmoriah is one of the protected posters there. I've seen her say some pretty nasty and condemning things to different people over the years. But even if she were a saintly figure, how do you explain Pahoran's free rein over there?
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Cal and I have disagreed with each other. But she is a good person and a valuable poster on MDD. I like her posts. cwald being new to the board did not know the personalities nor did he understand Cal. And he began to complain and whine a little. I told him to stick it out but...he ended up on this board. What to do?
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Re: Who is Selek?

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why me wrote:
cwald wrote:
Yeah, thanks.


The MDD moderator wrote you this message on the Dehlin thread after you criticized Cal:

Cal is one of the most consistently courteous posters here. Cool your jets and stop derailing threads with strings of whiny complaints or you aren't going to last long.

As you can see you were coming across a little whinny and you were derailing threads. Learning the ropes can take some time. You weren't there for that long.


You're damn right I was criticizing Cal...OMG, how dare I criticize one the regulars...her and her cronies were being extremely rude and uncivil and making it a personal attack..."wolf in sheep clothing" remember!!!! Where in the hell were the mods during all that exchange? As soon as I get pissed and "fight back" a little bit, they accuse me of making it personal and being "whiny" and threaten to ban me? Give me a break.

So answer the question Why Me. If you wanted to engage me in a civil discussion about the church, LIKE I WANTED TO DO, why the hell didn't you do it over at MDDB? You merely sat there and watched me get my get my ass handed to me. I even admitted that I was outgunned and couldn't hang with the seasoned apoligists, didn't have a chance...nor was I interested. So why did you not have this conversation this weekend when you had the chance? What is your purpose coming over here and poking me with these posts?
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Re: Who is Selek?

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why me wrote:... I told him to stick it out but...he ended up on this board. What to do?


Maybe there is a lesson to be learned? Maybe the folks at MDDB need to reconsider their purpose and approach? Maybe, "the church" needs to back off the "wolf in sheep clothing" paranoia every time they encounter a member with a different opinion and perspective, or who just has some doubts and want to discuss it.

A-holes!
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Re: Who is Selek?

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cwald wrote:Thanks MnG

Perhaps you need to be a little more outspoken at MDDB? It appears they chase away many folks who otherwise might find "some" benefit from the site, and they really do give the church a bad name, in my experience at least.


cwald,

I was a lot more outspoken at MDDB. I've spoken up plenty in the last three years during which time I was repeatedly called a board nanny by a handful of posters there. More recently, one poster took to insinuating very blatantly that I was a sock puppet for a person who posts here and has long since been banned form that board. I've been treated like a name-only member by some and a useful idiot by others, a direct result of the black and white thinking that prohibits the possibility that a fellow Mormon could possibly be intelligent, knowledgeable, and still disagree on substance. And to be fair, I've had a couple of moments when I was the judgmental jerk.

Now having said all that, there are reasonable people who post on that board. Most of them just don't speak up very often. Some have explicitly stated that they've grown tired of revisiting the same old issues over and over. If there are other reasons, they've gone unexpressed publicly, to my knowledge.

But I will tell you why I stopped posting.

Recently I put myself, knowingly, but with sincere motives, dead center on the battlefield during a board war between this board and the other. I thought that my motives were fairly transparent but they weren't, due largely to my own failure to articulate them well. As a result, I received a warning with a very unflattering description of how my behavior was being perceived by the mods. The PM was clear that I would banned if I crossed any lines again. I get that. But I also get that I'm not one who is going to play team sports just because someone hands me a jersey. I do and say what I do and say because I believe it to be morally right.

Even though it was a misunderstanding and might have blown over in time, I decided that it wasn't worth continuing to post actively. I hadn't posted over there in about six weeks and the only reason I posted at all in the past few days was because you were being called a troll and I knew better. I couldn't stand by and do nothing. You are my friend.

I lurk and I want my account to stay open because I want to be able to reach out to friends I've made on that board but I don't think it would do me or anyone else any good if I kept posting there.

'Nuff said?
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Re: Who is Selek?

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why me wrote:Have you asked your friends to put in a good word for you? Or perhaps you were over the top in your posts against the LDS church. If you notice the names that were mentioned by the poster, these people know each other and they know others on FAIR and probably the moderators too.


I was mild-mannered, as I always am over there. I was not banned for my behavior over there, and even some of my detractors wrote to tell me they were upset and shocked that I had been banned. I asked a friend, who was a moderator (don't know if this person still is), who said others had made the decision and would not appreciate anyone going to bat for me.

It doesn't bother me that I was banned, but it is kind of silly to talk about this big happy family of friends. I bring up my experience because it's common over there. The Dude, so far as I know, was always respectful and extremely knowledgeable, and they banned him because he dared to mention that Big Love had an episode about the endowment. A friend of mine was banned for something he posted on RfM, and there have been several "mass bannings" where they simply got rid of critics, especially those who post here.

Now I know no one. So, if I were banned I would have a problem. But if I attended a FAIR conference and met Juliann, I may reveal who I am and ask to be reinstated. And I would hope for a yes.

I am not a bad guy. :smile:


I'm sure you're not a bad guy, but you have some serious blind spots when it comes to Mormonism and its defenders. It seems I am a bad guy, at least to the MDD people. I've met many MDD posters personally and have some good friends among the believers. I'm still banned. No big deal. Their loss, not mine.
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Re: Who is Selek?

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I think that is fair MnG....I do/did appreciate your kindness.
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Re: Who is Selek?

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cwald wrote:
So answer the question Why Me. If you wanted to engage me in a civil discussion about the church, LIKE I WANTED TO DO, why the hell didn't you do it over at MDDB? You merely sat there and watched me get my get my ass handed to me.


I was busy defending Dan and giving my opinions about the firing. But really cwald, you were engaged in a learning process. You should have learned from it and continued on on that board. You would have been better off on the social hall with your questions. The general discussion board will get more debate. The social hall will get more conversation for guys like you.
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Re: Who is Selek?

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Never mind.
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Re: Who is Selek?

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why me wrote:
My point was that the MDD people like him. He does a good job. Sure cwald got a little hammered there. But there was a reason for that. No one knew what he stood for and where he stood. He was confusing to us. And selek wanted some clarification. But cwald was rather sensitive about it all. So, now he is here calling MDD posters a-holes. What to do?


Good Christian response, hammer on people you don't understand, yep that's what Christianity has taught for centuries.
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