Trump's Beautiful Wall

[_ajax18]

He's been refuted numerous times over the years on this point and when we bring this to his attention he just blows it aside as leftist bias. Meanwhile he's pushing for a white utopia on Stormfront.

And it isn't personally attacking ajax to simply point out what he has said and done in the past. You act like ajax is ashamed or has repented of all this racist ____, but he hasn't.

Cinepro has pointed out to you on several occasions how much illegal immigrant children cost the taxpayer. When any data that doesn't fit your preconceived conclusions is presented, you just shout, "White supremacist data." If you all really believe that unrestrained importation of 3rd world poverty won't reduce the standard of living for US citizens than I can't help you or myself as a taxpayer.

[_ajax18]

That's what all the Lizard People say ... you can't fool us.

Obviously, but I'll be back herding cats, herding cats.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ajax,

Looking at Trump's pike fence wall thing, can you tell me how much one tariffed steel spike that is approximately 48' long is going to cost to be produced, transported, and installed? And then despite Trump's insanely retarded jpeg which shows each pike being around half a door's width apart, you're going to probably need to space each pike ~6" apart. How much is it going to cost to replace all the current ineffective walls and an additional, say, 1000 miles with these pikes?

Please don't do the dumbass thing guys like you like to do and say some stupid damned retarded off-the-cuff remark like, "Huur, probably cost less than uuuurrrr herr herr."

I also would like some of these jackasses to explain how we avoid an ecological disaster by cutting off migration routes and hunting territories of the various species that make the Southwest their home.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

The playing field should remain level here and his history limited to what he's posted on this board.

That's why we don't reveal private messages here, that's why we've removed posts that contain a person's in real life, that's why we used to have a policy here not to quote folks from other sources unless it's a public figure.

"Level playing field" for what? First you make the ridiculous analogy of a courtroom and now you're acting like this is some kind of popularity contest. Ajax's "arguments," or lack thereof, will fall or stand on their own merits no matter what people know about the putrid nature of who he is. EA is just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of ajax pretending he's approaching these issues from anything but an extremely tainted view.

And for what it's worth, if i've been discoursing with child molesters or russian spies, I'd like to know about that too. I don't give a damn what you think that means for the "playing field."

I made the analogy of a courtroom in direct response to EA's mention of hard evidence. Go back and read the exchanges.

I don't give a rats ass what some poster here said on another forum and in my view, it should have never been brought to this board to start with or left to stand.

When I refer to a level playing field, I am talking about not transferring information or quotes from a poster who is not a public figure. Popularity contest, grow the “F” up, Kevin.

Ajax did not volunteer the information about another board, it was thrust upon him here.

I realize that you are not into board history, but I am. There have been tons of threads and posts removed from this board wherein posters transferred in real life and/or message board content about other posters.

I can think of at least two posters on this very thread, not including ajax, whose in real life has appeared on this board and was removed by admin. One of them is me. I can't force the other person to take a stand on this particular issue.

Message board content from other boards (Including posts and photos)intended to embarrass posters here has also been deleted from this board.

That you dislike or even hate a poster and his/her politics or positions, doesn't mean they shouldn't be provided for in terms of this board the same as everyone else.

If your arguments here are sound, why can't you guys make them without a borrowed crutch from another board?

[_Jersey Girl]

No it's because you know the data/conclusions stating illegal immigration benefits the economy is cooked up by leftists who had the conclusion in mind the entire time they did the study. The only method you have left to try to silence my argument is through personal attack. That's pretty low for a board administrator.

See what I mean Jersey Girl?

He's been refuted numerous times over the years on this point and when we bring this to his attention he just blows it aside as leftist bias. Meanwhile he's pushing for a white utopia on Stormfront.

And it isn't personally attacking ajax to simply point out what he has said and done in the past. You act like ajax is ashamed or has repented of all this racist crap, but he hasn't.

Get this straight. I don't give a rock solid damn what he has/has not repented of or if he's ashamed of anything he's said or done in his whole entire stinking life.

I'm not talking about personal attacks. Personally attack him 'til your fingers fall off. Personally attack me and any other poster you like. I can't bring myself to give a damn about personal attack and that's NOT what I'm talking about so stop trying to rework my posts to make them say something that they do not say and keep your little strawman on your side of the fence.

I'm talking about bad form and what is/is not acceptable to be transferred to this board from elsewhere, based on what the history of policy has been about that here, and how it matters.

Not to mention the fact that every single time I see some poster here bring up that other board I can't get ignore how pathetically weak that makes the poster look.

[_honorentheos]

He's been refuted numerous times over the years on this point and when we bring this to his attention he just blows it aside as leftist bias. Meanwhile he's pushing for a white utopia on Stormfront.

And it isn't personally attacking ajax to simply point out what he has said and done in the past. You act like ajax is ashamed or has repented of all this racist ____, but he hasn't.

Cinepro has pointed out to you on several occasions how much illegal immigrant children cost the taxpayer. When any data that doesn't fit your preconceived conclusions is presented, you just shout, "White supremacist data." If you all really believe that unrestrained importation of 3rd world poverty won't reduce the standard of living for US citizens than I can't help you or myself as a taxpayer.

Ajax,

This idea that there is a broad liberal coalition around completely open boards is pure myth. The Obama administration deported so many people, more than Bush, that it had a real impacts on his re-election campaign in 2012 as it had on Romney's message. Obama's administration was using every last penny congress gave them catching and deporting people. But because Congress only gave so many pennies, he was being painted as soft on illegal immigration because they prioritized those dollars to focus on people coming in rather than those who had been here and were productive members of society such as the dreamers and their families. The so-called catch and release policy was their dealing with both US and international laws.

Your view of what liberals want on this issue is a strawman. Upthread data about the bill that allocated $46B to border security on Obama's watch wasn't a compromise bill like has been suggested in this thread. It was a legit attempt to fund the program more in line with the expectations. It was bipartisan move to give border security initiatives the funding required to actually do their jobs. This wall thing, OTOH, is a gimmick. No one in Arizona who legitimately deals with border security wants $5B spent on a boondoggle Presidential promise.

You need to revise your understanding of the broader liberal position. Your view is essentially no different than those on the left who think every conservative is racist AF. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but I've seen more traditional conservatives on the board take issue with such broadly brushed painting of conservative political ideology.

[_honorentheos]

Personally attack me and any other poster you like.

You know, I SOOOOO wanted to ask if you were sure your head would fit through the pike wall, too. It was such a beautiful set up...but instead I'll just passively aggressively say it with an emoji so you know it's all J/K funnin'!



^ see?

[_Jersey Girl]

Personally attack me and any other poster you like.

You know, I SOOOOO wanted to ask if you were sure your head would fit through the pike wall, too. It was such a beautiful set up...but instead I'll just passively aggressively say it with an emoji so you know it's all J/K funnin'!



^ see?

Stop. It.

I dunno if my head would fit through the proposed wall. I suppose it depends on what day it is.

;-)

[_EAllusion]

Jersey - Your argument about a courtroom or this not being a pure debate forum is the exact opposite of what you intend it to be. In a courtroom, there are rules of admissibility of evidence meant to not prejudice a jury. But we aren't in a courtroom and the sole purpose of discussion isn't to debate the merits of a position. That Ajax is being blatantly disingenuous about what he says is conversationally relevant. It would be one thing to just say he's a liar and leave it at that. He could just deny it and go on his merry way. That there is rock-solid evidence of this fact is what makes the charge stick. You would prefer that evidence not be cited because it's embarrassing to be outed as a dishonest troll for white supremacy. Yes, that is embarrassing, but perhaps you might want to consider what makes it embarrassing is that it's true of his behavior on this message board. If I were bringing it up out of context as an ad hominem attack, it would be fair to complain that this is cheap and ill-tempered of me. But it isn't out of context here. The context is Ajax's suspect reasoning is best explained by the fact that he doesn't actually believe it. I happen to have the receipts.

Ajax -

The economic studies and economists I have cited have been from all over the political spectrum. This includes some very conservative figures. That you declare them ipso facto "leftists" simply by virtue of the conclusions they draw and declare anything from a leftist as "lies" without anything resembling evidence just means that you dismiss anything you don't want to believe as leftist lies. You assume your position because it flatters what you want to think for other reasons. This is intellectually dishonest.

The irony is that this is about as classic ad hominem reasoning as it gets and you just one sentence prior accused me of engaging in "personal attacks" on you because I had the audacity to refer to direct quotes by you where you state that "no non-white immigration" is one of your central political goals and that you feel necessary to conceal this fact when engaging people outside the bubble of neo-Nazis and other white supremacist you consider your "family." That's not ad hominem. That's explaining the otherwise inscrutable motives of your terrible reasoning.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey - Your argument about a courtroom or this not being a pure debate forum is the exact opposite of what you intend it to be. In a courtroom, there are rules of admissibility of evidence meant to not prejudice a jury. But we aren't in a courtroom and the sole purpose of discussion isn't to debate the merits of a position. That Ajax is being blatantly disingenuous about what he says is conversationally relevant. It would be one thing to just say he's a liar and leave it at that. He could just deny it and go on his merry way. That there is rock-solid evidence of this fact is what makes the charge stick. You would prefer that evidence not be cited because it's embarrassing to be outed as a dishonest troll for white supremacy. Yes, that is embarrassing, but perhaps you might want to consider what makes it embarrassing is that it's true of his behavior on this message board. If I were bringing it up out of context as an ad hominem attack, it would be fair to complain that this is cheap and ill-tempered of me. But it isn't out of context here. The context is Ajax's suspect reasoning is best explained by the fact that he doesn't actually believe it. I happen to have the receipts.

What do you say about the numerous posts on this board that contained in real life, photographic images, as well as quotes from other boards that the poster did not transfer themselves being deleted from this board by admin?

Where does your above fit the principle on which those were deleted?