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Moksha wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:21 am
ajax18 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:54 am
In fact it's diabolical. And right now it's the devil who has dominion over this world and the Democrat party.
The hackers in St. Petersburg need to rewrite the subroutines of this Ajaxbot. That devil stuff is a couple of centuries out of date. Remind them that Trump already has the crazy vote.
Putin has resumed this old device calling the west demonic along with the resistance in Ukraine. Ajax repeating it makes him sound like he is a Communist (or one of Communism's useful idiots. Their phrase).

In that ajax believes Communism is whatever government action he does not like, it is easy for communists to manipulate him into doing their projects. Press buttons.
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Apparently communists are capitalists these days, too.

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ajax18 wrote:
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Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:55 pm
It's tragic that so many Mormons, as well as right-wing evangelicals ignore, or are incapable of seeing how antithetical Trump and hard-right "religious" policies really are to the teachings of Christ in whom they profess to believe! Almost everything they propose to do is almost exclusively designed to benefit and further enrich the wealthiest few of us, to the detriment of the middle and lower classes, especially the latter. :cry:
I don't think Jesus sees any virtue in gifting other worker's wages in exchange for votes. Groceries, housing, and gasoline were affordable to working people when Trump was in office until the Democrats sabotaged the economy with their scamdemic to thwart Trump's reelection.

Your communism is appealing to the lazy, which are many, but it's hardly Christian. In fact it's diabolical. And right now it's the devil who has dominion over this world and the Democrat party.
You just don't get it at all. Christian charity and helping the poor, destitute and starving temporarily to get to a point of self-sufficiency is not equivalent to communism or evil. Showing compassion for people and helping them out of a hole or a bad situation not entirely of their making is not communistic or evil. Neither is a willingness to share one's good fortune with neighbors and loved ones.

Besides that, if you think providing welfare assistance to the genuinely needy, especially because of circumstances not entirely their fault is evil, isn't it even more evil to provide gargantuan subsidies (corporate welfare) to selfish individuals who are already immensely wealthy and powerful and have no need of government assistance, while refusing to help the needy and helpless? You know this is happening every day, don't you? There is nothing inherently scandalous about government assistance for people genuinely in need. Granting huge tax cuts and government subsidies to already immensely wealthy donors and/or potential donors is genuinely evil!

As I have often said before, conservatives are not actually opposed to re-distribution of wealth per se. They are only opposed to reversing the current direction of that re-distribution from the poorest classes of society to the wealthiest and greediest!

Showing compassion for and willingness to help the less fortunate is what Christ, himself, requires of us. It is not just an evil, communist plot! If Christ really came back and tried to present his teachings to congress, Conservatives would immediately throw him out!
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If Christ really came back and tried to present his teachings to Congress, Conservatives would immediately throw him out!
Ajax would call him a communist and Marjorie Taylor Greene would sink her teeth into one of his wounds. The Utah delegation might even try to convert him.
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Moksha wrote:
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Gunnar wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:10 am
If Christ really came back and tried to present his teachings to Congress, Conservatives would immediately throw him out!
Ajax would call him a communist and Marjorie Taylor Greene would sink her teeth into one of his wounds. The Utah delegation might even try to convert him.
Undoubtedly!
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Correction, Ajax, you want to do here whatever that it is Putin is doing over there, if that means communism then you want communism. You said a while back America should be expansionist and invade Mexico. You would hesitate to follow Trump to that end, only seeing the value of the proposition as a way to troll the left. But wouldn't you step in line quickly to follow a more serious leader like Putin? Even Tucker Carlson admitted off record that he hates Donald Trump, but he's never questioned the integrity of Putin or hesitated at his declaration to be on Putin's side -- to be his ally. Donald Trump is a joke -- he's good at getting views and making a fool of himself to keep his name in constant circulation but he can't properly command an authoritarian empire. He's outsourcing that part to the Heritage Foundation because he honestly doesn't stand for anything or have any real ideas about what to do, he just wants to be at the top. But Putin? Putin would have Heritage put down, and get on with the expansion. And you'd love it. It would be the most alive and purpose filled you'd ever felt. You want to serve Putin, and if Putin is a communist, then you want communism.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Christian charity and helping the poor, destitute and starving temporarily to get to a point of self-sufficiency is not equivalent to communism or evil. Showing compassion for people and helping them out of a hole or a bad situation not entirely of their making is not communistic or evil. Neither is a willingness to share one's good fortune with neighbors and loved ones.
Communism is a diabolical counterfeit that the devil tries to equate with Christianity. What you don't understand is the difference between the two. Christianity allows the earner/worker to decide when and if to give away his earnings. Communism dictates how much the earner will give up rather than encouraging him to become more Christlike and do good works of his own volition. It removes the direct relationship and contact between the giver and the receiver and replaces it with a far away dictator, thus robbing the giver of his chance to give freely and become more Christlike and blinding the taker (who often becomes a swindler) of seeing the real sacrifices of time and suffering of people just like him that were required to atone for his irresponsible decisions or misfortune. Without real human contact and free will between the giver and the receiver, communism like all of Satan's appealing counterfeit plans of happiness, makes the situation worse not better. Even though communism has been tried many times and failed, even though the democratic socialism, the scamdemic, and the green new scam, it can be proven right now to have significantly reduced the standard of living of the American worker. And yet astonishingly enough it's still appealing enough as pedaled by the mainstream media for half the country to say, this time it will be different. This time communism will work. Even though his plan would never have worked, Satan's plan was appealing enough that 1/3 of the entire host of heaven followed it to their own eternal misery.
Besides that, if you think providing welfare assistance to the genuinely needy, especially because of circumstances not entirely their fault is evil, isn't it even more evil to provide gargantuan subsidies (corporate welfare) to selfish individuals who are already immensely wealthy and powerful and have no need of government assistance, while refusing to help the needy and helpless?
We have corporate subsidies to lift all boats and grow the economy. If we don't, those jobs go elsewhere. When you do those kind of things you get an economy like we had in 2019. When you get your way, we get an economy like we have now. If you get your way for another four years, you very well might crash the stock market, blow out the bond market, have to bail out Wall Street, and further shackle the American taxpayer with permanently unpayable debt.

At least you're not telling me that we should cut all military spending in favor of welfare spending anymore. Unfortunately your foreign policy has led to idiotic outcomes like paying money to both Israel and Hamas in the current middle east conflict? Just a quick question, how is that putting the interests of the American taxpayer first?
As I have often said before, conservatives are not actually opposed to re-distribution of wealth per se. They are only opposed to reversing the current direction of that re-distribution from the poorest classes of society to the wealthiest and greediest!
We believe in equality of opportunity. You believe in equality of result.
Showing compassion for and willingness to help the less fortunate is what Christ, himself, requires of us.
Nobody who is forced upon penalty of imprisonment to sign over their paycheck to the government is willingly showing compassion to help the less fortunate. And the fact is that most people voting for increased taxes are doing so under the false belief that these taxes will be imposed only upon people wealthier than themselves. That's right, they're being generous with someone else's earnings, not their own. What's Christlike about that? That's definitely not what Jesus would do.

Gunnar I do see you as a kind of Jimmy Carter like figure. I believe Jimmy Carter was a good man. But his policies led to very bad outcomes for the American people. Unlike Biden, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Harry Reid and the uber wealthy political elite, Jimmy did believe in sacrificing his own fortune and lifestyle to help others in a Christlike way. He did it of his own volition, not because somebody raised his taxes. I suspect that you unlike most Democrats would pay more to charity without being compelled to do so. But you need to learn to respect people's agency. Just as I don't force you to attend Sacrament meeting at gunpoint or pay your tithing and a generous fast offering, so you need to respect the right to private property of all US Citizens, or this is no more a land that can promise freedom and liberty.
It is not just an evil, communist plot! If Christ really came back and tried to present his teachings to congress, Conservatives would immediately throw him out!
When Christ comes back He will rule as King of the World. And I will joyfully serve Him with all my heart, might, mind, and strength, not because some deep state elite forces me to, but because I know that the Lord's way is not just for the happiness of other people, but my personal eternal happiness as well. He put on me on this earth with the freedom to figure this out through his holy spirit and choose of my own free will to earn a testimony of His gospel and do this. It is Satan and the Democrat party who seek to take this freedom and opportunity away from us.

I could even see a United Order working in a Terrestrial society. But this earth is living at a Telestial law, and often times worse than that. Hunger is a necessary motivator for most people to get up in the morning and go to work, especially drug addicts. The Mosaic law is where we're at. Private property and capitalism is what has resulted in the greater good. Communism (even if it's done with the best of intentions) leads to Cuba, Venezeula, Vietnam, North Korea, and Russia. That's not the greater good for most people.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:54 am
Gunnar wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:55 pm
It's tragic that so many Mormons, as well as right-wing evangelicals ignore, or are incapable of seeing how antithetical Trump and hard-right "religious" policies really are to the teachings of Christ in whom they profess to believe! Almost everything they propose to do is almost exclusively designed to benefit and further enrich the wealthiest few of us, to the detriment of the middle and lower classes, especially the latter. :cry:
I don't think Jesus sees any virtue in gifting other worker's wages in exchange for votes. Groceries, housing, and gasoline were affordable to working people when Trump was in office until the Democrats sabotaged the economy with their scamdemic to thwart Trump's reelection.

Your communism is appealing to the lazy, which are many, but it's hardly Christian. In fact it's diabolical. And right now it's the devil who has dominion over this world and the Democrat party.

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honorentheos wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 7:47 pm
*Ananias and Sapphira enter the chat.
Ananias and sapphira were more like an ancient version of the Biden family. They say, "Oh yes, we believe in doing our patriotic duty and giving our fair share. That's what drives us to get out and work hard, pure altruism. Then it turns out that not only had they made their financial gains through influence pedaling, they spent their lives with drugs and whores and never did an honest days work their entire lives.

Take the wealthy young ruler for example. Jesus invited him to sell all he had, give it to the poor, and come follow Him. That is the doctrine Christ. When the young ruler couldn't quite get it and declined the offer, Christ didn't have his followers tie him up and confiscate his property because he probably inherited most of it anyway. That's the doctrine of Schmo, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez, not the doctrine of Christ.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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