Jacob Hansen: Yesser No?

[I Have Questions]

That’s a very good point. You cannot restore something that never was. Jesus didn’t set up and operate a “church” or a “religion”. He was just an itinerant preacher who espoused some grand principles about loving neighbours and helping the downtrodden. It was a very simple message which gets lost nowadays under all the policies and practices and rituals and ordinances that he simply never got involved with. If only Joseph Smith had restored that.

Are you sure there was nothing more than that?

Yes.

Was Paul and apostle and representative of Jesus Christ?

Was Paul and what apostle?

What did he see on the road to Damascus?

Nothing, he invented a story that would give him status, like Nelson did with his untruthful plane bursting into flames story.

What about the church that was organized upon the foundation of apostles and prophets?

That’s not something Jesus set up. So it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

Did Jesus teach that he was the Son of the Father?

Nobody knows because we don’t have any contemporary record of it. All we have is second or third hand or fourth hand or worse, notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

What did he mean when he taught that he was the resurrection and the life and that no man comes to the Father except through Him?

We don’t know that He (you should capitalise when referring to The Saviour, you should know that. Stop being disrespectful) said anything of the sort. We only have the notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

[MG 2.0]

Are you sure there was nothing more than that?

Yes.

Was Paul and apostle and representative of Jesus Christ?

Was Paul and what apostle?

What did he see on the road to Damascus?

Nothing, he invented a story that would give him status, like Nelson did with his untruthful plane bursting into flames story.

What about the church that was organized upon the foundation of apostles and prophets?

That’s not something Jesus set up. So it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

Did Jesus teach that he was the Son of the Father?

Nobody knows because we don’t have any contemporary record of it. All we have is second or third hand or fourth hand or worse, notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

What did he mean when he taught that he was the resurrection and the life and that no man comes to the Father except through Him?

We don’t know that He (you should capitalise when referring to The Saviour, you should know that. Stop being disrespectful) said anything of the sort. We only have the notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

Eureka!! He answered some questions! Of course we ought to remember, there are a lot of educated folks that disagree with you. Anyway, thanks for an actual contribution rather than simply trying to 'make an offender for a lie'.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Yes. Was Paul and what apostle? Nothing, he invented a story that would give him status, like Nelson did with his untruthful plane bursting into flames story. That’s not something Jesus set up. So it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody knows because we don’t have any contemporary record of it. All we have is second or third hand or fourth hand or worse, notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale. We don’t know that He (you should capitalise when referring to The Saviour, you should know that. Stop being disrespectful) said anything of the sort. We only have the notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

Eureka!! He answered some questions! Of course we ought to remember, there are a lot of educated folks that disagree with you. Anyway, thanks for an actual contribution rather than simply trying to 'make an offender for a lie'.

Regards,
MG

A lot of educated people voted for Trump, a lot of educated people are Scientologists, a lot of educated people have left the SLC LDS Church, so what’s your point?

[MG 2.0]

Eureka!! He answered some questions! Of course we ought to remember, there are a lot of educated folks that disagree with you. Anyway, thanks for an actual contribution rather than simply trying to 'make an offender for a lie'.

Regards,
MG

A lot of educated people voted for Trump, a lot of educated people are Scientologists, a lot of educated people have left the SLC LDS Church, so what’s your point?

It's already been made.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

A lot of educated people voted for Trump, a lot of educated people are Scientologists, a lot of educated people have left the SLC LDS Church, so what’s your point?

It's already been made.

Regards,
MG

Only in your head.

[MG 2.0]

It's already been made.

Regards,
MG

Only in your head.

TTOC

[I Have Questions]

Are you sure there was nothing more than that?

Yes.

Was Paul and apostle and representative of Jesus Christ?

Was Paul and what apostle?

What did he see on the road to Damascus?

Nothing, he invented a story that would give him status, like Nelson did with his untruthful plane bursting into flames story.

What about the church that was organized upon the foundation of apostles and prophets?

That’s not something Jesus set up. So it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

Did Jesus teach that he was the Son of the Father?

Nobody knows because we don’t have any contemporary record of it. All we have is second or third hand or fourth hand or worse, notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

What did he mean when he taught that he was the resurrection and the life and that no man comes to the Father except through Him?

We don’t know that He (you should capitalise when referring to The Saviour, you should know that. Stop being disrespectful) said anything of the sort. We only have the notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

I note that MG 2.0 hasn’t rebutted any of the specific points I made in response to his questions.

[MG 2.0]

Yes. Was Paul and what apostle? Nothing, he invented a story that would give him status, like Nelson did with his untruthful plane bursting into flames story. That’s not something Jesus set up. So it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody knows because we don’t have any contemporary record of it. All we have is second or third hand or fourth hand or worse, notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale. We don’t know that He (you should capitalise when referring to The Saviour, you should know that. Stop being disrespectful) said anything of the sort. We only have the notes from Iron Age bloggers driven by their own agenda, who may all have been referencing the same oral folk tale.

I note that MG 2.0 hasn’t rebutted any of the specific points I made in response to his questions.

There are some things that you don't believe that I do believe. And yes, there is a degree of reasonable/reasoned faith involved. Trying to explain that to a person of no faith is a non-starter. And honestly, it's not worth my time. There are some things that can only be known through the ministrations of the Spirit and through meditative pondering on the 'deep things' of life. As it is, I have absolutely NO idea whether or not you have gone down this path and/or whether you have made the efforts/sacrifice necessary to receive knowledge from a source other than your own mind/intellect.

You have revealed nothing of yourself and your personal journey of faith and spirituality.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

I note that MG 2.0 hasn’t rebutted any of the specific points I made in response to his questions.

There are some things that you don't believe that I do believe. And yes, there is a degree of reasonable/reasoned faith involved. Trying to explain that to a person of no faith is a non-starter. And honestly, it's not worth my time. There are some things that can only be known through the ministrations of the Spirit and through meditative pondering on the 'deep things' of life. As it is, I have absolutely NO idea whether or not you have gone down this path and/or whether you have made the efforts/sacrifice necessary to receive knowledge from a source other than your own mind/intellect.

You have revealed nothing of yourself and your personal journey of faith and spirituality.

Regards,
MG

This thread isn’t about me. And you are now just trying to throw a load of caveats and conditions at the problem to excuse the fact that you are firing blanks and are just too damn lazy to do some proper research into showing that what I said cannot be the case. Also, you can’t. So there’s that. Insisting someone else believe as a rebuttal is just circular nonsense. Imagine a defence lawyer insisting that his case is predicated on the prosecution just starting with the belief that his case is true. You’d rightly be laughed out of the court. I’m laughing at you right now for even suggesting such a childishly stupid nonsensical cop out. Your response is pathetic.

[bill4long]

MG

Okay, I have to chime in.

Look, religion is goofy. And you have your subjective goofy beliefs. But all that matters is who has the power.

Power.

Who has the Power?

Your Mormon apostles sure as hell don't. I would love for them to prove me wrong. If you believe the New Testament, particularly Paul's letters, are trustworthy at all, then lend your ear for a minute. Here's what Paul said...

2 Corinthans 12:12.

12:12 τὰ μὲν σημεῖα τοῦ ἀποστόλου κατειργάσθη ἐν ὑμῖν ἐν πάσῃ ὑπομονῇ σημείοις τε καὶ τέρασιν καὶ δυνάμεσιν

Signs of power of an apostle. Your silly Mormon pretend apostles never do anything like this. Why? Cause they can't. They don't have the power.

But don't feel bad. The Pope can't do it. Nobody can.

Here's my challenge to you: get an appointment with a Mormon "apostle." Invite him to go down and minister to the poor, needy, drug addicts,
prostitutes, homeless, mentally ill. In short, invite him to do the works of an apostle as Paul claimed. I'm betting there will be no takers.

You're probably not a bad guy. Just duped.

As the great Eliza Doolittle said...

Words words words, it's all I ever here. I don't want feelings. Promises. Claims. Don't tell me, show me...